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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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On May 30, 4:46 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
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The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
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Waiting for someone to present to them a well-reasoned argument
supported by evidence that makes the case to the standards Congress
requires, that the President should be impeached. It's one thing to
demand it, it's another thing entirely to make a case that will
persuade both houses of Congress. |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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On May 30, 7:52 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On May 30, 4:46 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
Waiting for someone to present to them a well-reasoned argument
supported by evidence that makes the case to the standards Congress
requires,...
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As if even Pelosi and Kennedy are incapable?
If so, then what the hell are they doing being where they are? |
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Sid9
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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Don Gabacho wrote:
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On May 30, 5:11 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 10:13 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 9:55 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Every American death in Iraq chews away at bush,jr's support.
And his pushing for anything other than immigration enforcement.
Whoops.....the details seem to have vanished:
Yup.
Let me help:...
Get your head screwed on straight: I'm agreeing with you that Bush's
approval ratings have dropped but not ONLY for the reasons you
ascribe: merely Iraq, but also, if not even more so, for his so-called
push for 'immigration-reform' instead of 'immigration-enforcement.'
Take off your blinders:
Never has more Americans been united to IMPEACH BUSH, yet the
Democrats prefer playing "immigration-reform."
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
What utter hypocrites!
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The Democrats do NOT
have the votes to carry
out a successful impeachment
and removal
17 Republican senators
need to put their country
ahead of their party...
and then what do you get ?
Cheney?
From the frying pan into the fire!
Both need to go simultaneously.
Then Pelosi becomes the
president and presides over
a national untiy government
until the next election.
It'll never happen....
If bush,jr and Cheney
had any honor they
would resign.
Fault the Republicans in the senate, not the Democrats who do not even have
a working majority in the Senate |
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Sid9
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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Don Gabacho wrote:
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On May 30, 7:52 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 4:46 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
Waiting for someone to present to them a well-reasoned argument
supported by evidence that makes the case to the standards Congress
requires,...
As if even Pelosi and Kennedy are incapable?
If so, then what the hell are they doing being where they are?
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Ask that question of
bush,jr and Cheney
considering the mess
they've made of America |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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On May 30, 8:46 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 30, 7:52 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 4:46 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
Waiting for someone to present to them a well-reasoned argument
supported by evidence that makes the case to the standards Congress
requires,...
As if even Pelosi and Kennedy are incapable?
If so, then what the hell are they doing being where they are?
Ask that question of
bush,jr and Cheney
considering the mess
they've made of America
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What? You expect my Aunt Dot to bring them to task with such
questions?
Pelosi and Kennedy should be asking those questions.
It's called IMPEACHMENT(s)---isn't it? |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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On May 30, 8:44 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 30, 5:11 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 10:13 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 9:55 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Every American death in Iraq chews away at bush,jr's support.
And his pushing for anything other than immigration enforcement.
Whoops.....the details seem to have vanished:
Yup.
Let me help:...
Get your head screwed on straight: I'm agreeing with you that Bush's
approval ratings have dropped but not ONLY for the reasons you
ascribe: merely Iraq, but also, if not even more so, for his so-called
push for 'immigration-reform' instead of 'immigration-enforcement.'
Take off your blinders:
Never has more Americans been united to IMPEACH BUSH, yet the
Democrats prefer playing "immigration-reform."
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
What utter hypocrites!
The Democrats do NOT
have the votes to carry
out a successful impeachment
and removal
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They have enough votes to table all legislation which could require
his signature, set up a hearing committee---precisely as in
Watergate---to
start investigating grounds for IMPEACHMENT.
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17 Republican senators
need to put their country
ahead of their party...
and then what do you get ?
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And until such committee commences even more democrats.
Kucinich's Articles for Impeachment, and even the State of
Massachusettes' refer to Cheney.
It is obvious that Bush's impeachment underlies: thus first impeding
any possibility of a succession by Cheney.
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From the frying pan into the fire!
Both need to go simultaneously.
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It starts with Cheney, as above, and then comes to include Bush.
As for "going"? The proceedings should endure to the end of their
terms anyway. The point is to tie them up until whichever comes first:
enough public pressure bears down on recalcitrant Republicans and
Democrats to vote to impeach or the end of their terms.
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Then Pelosi becomes the
president and presides over
a national untiy government
until the next election.
It'll never happen....
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I do not see Pelosi succeeding anyone. What I do see is tying the
hands of Bush and Cheney until the end of their terms anyway.
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If bush,jr and Cheney
had any honor they
would resign.
Fault the Republicans in the senate, not the Democrats who do not even have
a working majority in the Senate
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Watergate began with a comittee to investigate the grounds for
impeachment. Nixon was forced to resign. |
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Sid9
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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Don Gabacho wrote:
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On May 30, 8:46 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 30, 7:52 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 30, 4:46 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
Waiting for someone to present to them a well-reasoned argument
supported by evidence that makes the case to the standards Congress
requires,...
As if even Pelosi and Kennedy are incapable?
If so, then what the hell are they doing being where they are?
Ask that question of
bush,jr and Cheney
considering the mess
they've made of America
What? You expect my Aunt Dot to bring them to task with such
questions?
Pelosi and Kennedy should be asking those questions.
It's called IMPEACHMENT(s)---isn't it?
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I'll repeat what I said for your benefit:
The Democrats do NOT
have the votes to carry
out a successful impeachment
and removal.
17 Republican senators
need to put their country
ahead of their party...
and then what do you get ?
Cheney?
From the frying pan into the fire!
Both need to go simultaneously.
Then Pelosi becomes the
president and presides over
a national untiy government
until the next election.
It'll never happen....
If bush,jr and Cheney
had any honor they
would resign.
Fault the Republicans in the senate, not the Democrats who do not even have
a working majority in the Senate |
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Dan Kimmel
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: Re: But What Does It Say About Pelosi's Edict Of Keeping Imp |
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"lo yeeOn" <acoustic@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <tVo7i.13295$JQ3.2321@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
Sid9 <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 30, 5:11 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 10:13 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don Gabacho wrote:
On May 29, 9:55 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Every American death in Iraq chews away at bush,jr's support.
And his pushing for anything other than immigration enforcement.
Whoops.....the details seem to have vanished:
Yup.
Let me help:...
Get your head screwed on straight: I'm agreeing with you that Bush's
approval ratings have dropped but not ONLY for the reasons you
ascribe: merely Iraq, but also, if not even more so, for his so-called
push for 'immigration-reform' instead of 'immigration-enforcement.'
Take off your blinders:
Never has more Americans been united to IMPEACH BUSH, yet the
Democrats prefer playing "immigration-reform."
The States of California and Massachusetts have passed resolutions
DEMANDING THE IMPEACHMENT of Bush, yet what are Pelosi and Kennedy
doing?!?
What utter hypocrites!
The Democrats do NOT
have the votes to carry
out a successful impeachment
and removal
17 Republican senators
need to put their country
ahead of their party...
Hogwash!
In a trial, the jury isn't even supposed to have an opinion on the
accused until the members have heard the arguments from both sides.
Given what we know already, the strength of the case against the
accused here is overwhelming. We just need the case against him laid
out in full, before TV cameras everyday so that the American people
can be fully informed and so that sleazy ones in the Senate would not
have a place to hide.
There is such a known concept as dynamics associated with a trial.
The process of impeachment is no exception.
Pelosi's congressional office is richly staffed by experts paid for by
taxpayers' money. She knows what it takes but she pretends her hands
are tied so that she can keep her job as the most powerful person in
Congress and the most powerful woman in Washington without serving the
American people. She wants both ends of the world and she has chosen
deceit to achieve it, just like Bush Jr.
The Democratic Party bosses in Congress are trying to give Bush a
pass. That is the only logical explanation for why impeachment is
off-the-table. They all serve the same master who wanted to invade
Iraq and hold it for keep. They are scumbags, nothing else.
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You are delusional. Look at how the Republics in Congress have done
everything they can to roadblock the Democratic agenda. They're *still*
supporting the war. The Democrats have slim majorities. In the Senate it's
ONE vote, and that one vote is that DINO Lieberman. Sid has it exactly
right. So long as the Republics continue to back Bush, impeachment is a
non-starter.
Impeachment is a *political* process, not a criminal one. You're kidding
yourself if you think Republican senators will act as impartial jurors. |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: But What Does It Say About Pelosi's Edict Of Keeping Imp |
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On Jun 2, 4:38 am, "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote:
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"lo yeeOn" <acous...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:f3qk76$btu$1@reader2.panix.com...
Dan Kimmel wrote:
You are delusional. Look at how the Republics in Congress have done
everything they can to roadblock the Democratic agenda. They're
*still* supporting the war. The Democrats have slim majorities. In
the Senate it's ONE vote, and that one vote is that DINO Lieberman.
Sid has it exactly right. So long as the Republics continue to back
Bush, impeachment is a non-starter.
Impeachment is a *political* process, not a criminal one. You're
kidding yourself if you think Republican senators will act as
impartial jurors.
Any process, by nature, has a dynamic element to it.
With the impeachment process of Bush, if the people involved are doing
their jobs, there will be plenty of opportunity for the voters to put
enough pressure on their senators to do the right thing.
If we don't do anything, nothing will happen.
You can say I am ``delusional'' and ``Sid9 has it exactly right'' all
you want. But your argument is weak because you are oblivious to the
dynamic nature of the impeachment process.
That "dynamic" process worked so well in the vote on funding the war that
the majority of Americans opposed, eh?
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There were no hearings on the funding of the war that could engage the
American public.
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There's a "weak argument" here, but it's not mine.
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No. What's "weak" here is your head. Obviously too young to have
witnessed the Watergate Hearings, and too stupid on top of it, you
will not comprehend what lo yeeOn means by the "dynamics" of an
impeachment.
The public's engagement with Erwin's Senate Select Committee was not
unlike the public's engagement with the Joe Lewis/Max Schmelling
Fight, when, no matter who you were or where you were, short of a
coffin, you were going to hear and be engaged by it as it unfolded. It
was that widespread and intense.
Likewise, the committee heard its audience driving them onward.
The only difference, in that regard, between the Lewis/Schmelling
figtht and the Erwin's Committee/Nixon fight was that the Committees
was not a few minute affair. It went on daily for weeks on end; with
the public's engaged interest in the affair not ebbing at all---quite
the contrary---even after the very opening of the hearings was like a
cannon shot.
I pity those who refuse to learn from their elders. |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: But What Does It Say About Pelosi's Edict Of Keeping Imp |
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On May 31, 9:21 pm, "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote:
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"Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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On May 30, 11:00 pm, "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote:
Impeachment is a *political* process, not a criminal one. You're
kidding
yourself if you think Republican senators will act as impartial jurors.
Being investigated for "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not being
investigated for "high crimes and misdemeanors?"
It is a POLITICAL process, not a criminal one.
Please provide a specific definition of the phrase if you are arguing
otherwise.
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What? They are your phrases. You define them. |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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Dan Kimmel wrote:
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"Don Gabacho" <jpastore@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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P.S. When the day came for the summation, so to speak, of Erwin's
Committee and, one after the other, the committee's members were to
make their case for, or not, there being grounds for impeachment, even
then, no one knew how it would go.
It did appear that the very conservative Talmadge and Guerny would
side with Nixon's stooge, Baker, while Inouye, Montoya, and Erwin
would not.
The difference, it was thought, lied with the maverick Republican
Weiker.
That evening the cases made by Inouye, Montoya, Erwin and even
Talmadge and Guerny and especially Weiker to millions of viewers, were
their and my proudest for being an American days in our lives.
You don't even know who was on the committee. ERVIN. GURNEY. WEICKER. Are
you dyslexic or simply a bad speller?
Nothing has come even close since.
And you are going to tell me and all those millions, it never
happened!!!
Good-bye Kimmel, America needs some serious looking after right now.
Here's what actually set off the call for impeachment. I remember it well.
You're "buy a term paper" website may have overlooked it:
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You pathetic ignoramus. I am telling you what I WITNESSED and not what
I read from any of your sources for "term papers." |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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On Jun 2, 4:44 am, "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote:
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"Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
I was a college student at the time and I watched the hearings.
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And, having watched those hearings, the committee, as you have
repeatedly stated were "not investigating for grounds for
impeachment."
And in their summaries, the final statements of each committee member,
making impeachment imperative (as they did) or not (as they did not),
never, as you have repeatedly stated, happened.
And that vote by the Senate's Committee Members, as you have stated
over and over again, could not have happened because the Senate as a
whole could not Constitutionally vote.
You were as "blind," "deaf" and "dumb" then as even now. |
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Don Gabacho
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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Dan Kimmel wrote:
There you go again: No one has ever stated that they did "vote on
impeachment."
They, in summary, did however vote on whether "grounds for impeachment
existed or not."
All but one of the committee members found not only that the "grounds
for impeachment" existed but also concluded impeachment to be
imperative.
You are one very stubborn fool.
Why? |
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Dan Kimmel
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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"Don Gabacho" <jpastore@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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Dan Kimmel wrote:
"Don Gabacho" <jpastore@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:1180730678.352531.286670@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
P.S. When the day came for the summation, so to speak, of Erwin's
Committee and, one after the other, the committee's members were to
make their case for, or not, there being grounds for impeachment, even
then, no one knew how it would go.
It did appear that the very conservative Talmadge and Guerny would
side with Nixon's stooge, Baker, while Inouye, Montoya, and Erwin
would not.
The difference, it was thought, lied with the maverick Republican
Weiker.
That evening the cases made by Inouye, Montoya, Erwin and even
Talmadge and Guerny and especially Weiker to millions of viewers, were
their and my proudest for being an American days in our lives.
You don't even know who was on the committee. ERVIN. GURNEY. WEICKER.
Are
you dyslexic or simply a bad speller?
Nothing has come even close since.
And you are going to tell me and all those millions, it never
happened!!!
Good-bye Kimmel, America needs some serious looking after right now.
Here's what actually set off the call for impeachment. I remember it
well.
Your "buy a term paper" website may have overlooked it:
You pathetic ignoramus. I am telling you what I WITNESSED and not what
I read from any of your sources for "term papers."
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You dolt. YOU were the one who posted links to term paper sites. I posted
an article from the Washington Post which contained coverage of events I was
old enough to witness, but you obviously were not. Your repeated errors and
false claims give you away. |
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Dan Kimmel
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: bush,jr down 2 more points in another poll! |
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"Don Gabacho" <jpastore@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 4:44 am, "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote:
"Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
I was a college student at the time and I watched the hearings.
And, having watched those hearings, the committee, as you have
repeatedly stated were "not investigating for grounds for
impeachment."
And in their summaries, the final statements of each committee member,
making impeachment imperative (as they did) or not (as they did not),
never, as you have repeatedly stated, happened.
And that vote by the Senate's Committee Members, as you have stated
over and over again, could not have happened because the Senate as a
whole could not Constitutionally vote.
You were as "blind," "deaf" and "dumb" then as even now.
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You can believe whatever you want in your fantasy world. Out here in the
real world it was the House Judiciary Comittee, not Senator ERVIN'S select
Senate committee, that considered and voted on impeachment.
The Senate's role impeachment is spelled out in the Constitution. It's
something Senator ERVIN was very familiar with, and a document that I know
as well. You, obviously, don't have a clue. |
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