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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of course
27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial. The other 3
are details from the CIA about her travel.
On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO).
She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA
Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with
responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel
overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more
than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled
under a cover identity--sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias--but
always using cover--whether official or non-official cover (NOC)--with no
ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
I mean a foreign country would never keep tabs on the real names of agents
would they? But hey, she was "covert".
Either way you look at it she was not a covert agent covered by the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, this is why ole Fitz' never
brought any charges against the leaker of her name (a leaker other then her
husband who tended to talk alot at cocktail parties).
UPDATE
Great comment at Patterico's Pontifications:
Here's the prosecutorial "rub" from my perspective: I don't think the CIA's
view of who it deems "covert" neatly translates into the definition of
"covert" under the statute at issue. While its in the CIA's interest to
define "covert" as broadly as possible, thereby giving maximum coverage to
its assets, the statute in question recognized tension between the rights of
the press and the needs of the intelligence community, and defines the term
"covert" in a very non-specific manner.
The "5 Year" provision is a clear example, as is the "affirmative steps"
provision.
(4) The term "covert agent" means-
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or
a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an
intelligence agency-
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified
information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five
years served outside the United States;
This language begs the question of what is to be the definition of
"served"?
What Fitzgerald suggests in his Exhibit is that her personnel file only
describes trips she took abroad on agency business during a 5 year period,
not a period of time in which she was "posted" abroad. This is likely a key
distinction. And, any trips she took using "official" cover - i.e., she
passed herself off as a government official, just not an intelligence agent
of the CIA - likely don't count under the statute.
I found this excerpt from a USA Today article from 2005:
"The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the
identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas
assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be
long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say..
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she
wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney
who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities."
The second expert cited is Victoria Toensing. She obviously comes with an
agenda, but it can't be denied that she was at the table in 1982 when this
statute was drafted, and she was advocating on behalf of the CIA's position
when it was drafted as a senior Justice Department official. She too has
said that mere overseas travel in an undercover capacity is not enough to
trigger the protections of the statute.
The "affirmative measures" provision of Sec. 421 is not defined in the
statute, and this omission also presents some difficulties.
For example, is the taking of "affirmative measures" by the CIA negated by
actions of the CIA which at the same time work to defeat those affirmative
measures?
The CIA took affirmative measures in the sense that Plame had NOC cover
through a front energy company which the agency created and for whom Plame
ostensibly worked during her overseas postings in the 1990s.
But, when she returned to the United States in 1997, she didn't continue
to maintain the NOC cover by working at an office identified as the dummy
front company. Rather, she drove through the gates of Langley every day for
about 6 years on her way to a desk job at CIA HQ.
Does the fact that the CIA maintained her as "covert" on paper simply by
not revealing her previous work and continuing to keep handy her NOC cover
in case it might be of use (such as when need to for an occasional overseas
trip for a discreet purpose) also mean that she still falls under the
protections of the statute when anyone with a camera could stand on the road
leading to Langley and take her picture driving in and out of the CIA?
I think these were the difficulties Fitzgerald faced in trying to
determine whether he had a prosecutable case under the Intelligence
Identities Act, in addition to the question of intent that you mentioned.
I think this difficulty is revealed by how much he danced around that
question. He knew that the CIA wanted to assert that she was covert, but he
also knew that the CIA took actions inconsistent with that assertion.
The IIPA definition of covert is much much different then the CIA's
definition, and yes....that makes a difference.
UPDATE II
Classic quote from Ed Morrissey:
Plame drove into the office in Langley. She traveled abroad under her own
name. She helped arrange for her husband to do some fact-checking on a
sensitive intelligence matter. Her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,
then came home and leaked his observations to two nationally-known
journalists, and then wrote his own op-ed in the New York Times under his
byline.
And her husband managed to list her in Who's Who, where any journalist
could look up the entry -- and where Robert Novak did just that.
If that's keeping an agent covert, it speaks volumes about the agency's
competence during the George Tenet years.
I think we know what the competence of the CIA was, and is. Just look at
the quality of people they churn out what with Plame, Larry Johnson and the
rest of the ViPer's.
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"The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is
worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then
we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq." President George Bush
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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"Harry Dope" <TheWarIsLost@earthlink.net> allegedly said in
news:465dbf86$0$9891$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of
course 27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial.
The other 3 are details from the CIA about her travel.
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Hmmm.. I don't think that Scooter is finding it "hilarious" <snicker>
But here we are AGAIN... everytime you make a complete idiot out of
yourself ... blame the MSM...
These drooling reichtard bloggers are as dumb as it gets... I mean the CIA
had said from the start that Valerie was covert... now Fitzgerald has
released the very declassified documents from the CIA and STILL they are
crying and snivelling.. it's getting totally pathetic.. you have to wonder
if these low-IQ mouth-breathers ever get tired of being 100% wrong all the
time... or are they just too profoundly dumb? (I favor the latter)
Gonzo Funeral Watch: 79 days 14 hours 46 minutes and counting
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:16:37 -0400, Harry Dope wrote:
How do you manage to be on the wrong side of every issue? |
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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On May 30, 2:51 pm, "P.Henry" <P.Hen...@revolution.org> wrote:
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:16:37 -0400, Harry Dope wrote:
How do you manage to be on the wrong side of every issue?
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Who else would still support the Bushies in 2007? |
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
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Have you figured out yet that this is the CIA? That's all the
paperwork they can release. They can't tell you what she did, or who
she met, or whose lives Cheney risked, because these things are
obviously top-secret matters of national security.
Plame got outed _because_ she knew too much about Iraq's lack of WMDs.
Otherwise, why go thru the risk of outing her? If she knows nothing,
why out her? If she knows they have WMDs, why out her? The only
explanation is she /did/ know they had none.
The CIA has probably calculated exactly how much information to
release to neutralize their enemy...
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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"Harry Dope" <TheWarIsLost@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert.
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Wow, just like the CIA says! ROFLMAO |
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John R Rybock Guest
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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On May 30, 11:16 am, "Harry Dope" <TheWarIsL...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of course
27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial. The other 3
are details from the CIA about her travel.
On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO).
She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA
Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with
responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel
overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more
than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled
under a cover identity--sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias--but
always using cover--whether official or non-official cover (NOC)--with no
ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
I mean a foreign country would never keep tabs on the real names of agents
would they? But hey, she was "covert".
Either way you look at it she was not a covert agent covered by the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, this is why ole Fitz' never
brought any charges against the leaker of her name (a leaker other then her
husband who tended to talk alot at cocktail parties).
UPDATE
Great comment at Patterico's Pontifications:
Here's the prosecutorial "rub" from my perspective: I don't think the CIA's
view of who it deems "covert" neatly translates into the definition of
"covert" under the statute at issue. While its in the CIA's interest to
define "covert" as broadly as possible, thereby giving maximum coverage to
its assets, the statute in question recognized tension between the rights of
the press and the needs of the intelligence community, and defines the term
"covert" in a very non-specific manner.
The "5 Year" provision is a clear example, as is the "affirmative steps"
provision.
(4) The term "covert agent" means-
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or
a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an
intelligence agency-
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified
information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five
years served outside the United States;
This language begs the question of what is to be the definition of
"served"?
What Fitzgerald suggests in his Exhibit is that her personnel file only
describes trips she took abroad on agency business during a 5 year period,
not a period of time in which she was "posted" abroad. This is likely a key
distinction. And, any trips she took using "official" cover - i.e., she
passed herself off as a government official, just not an intelligence agent
of the CIA - likely don't count under the statute.
I found this excerpt from a USA Today article from 2005:
"The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the
identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas
assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be
long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say..
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she
wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney
who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities."
The second expert cited is Victoria Toensing. She obviously comes with an
agenda, but it can't be denied that she was at the table in 1982 when this
statute was drafted, and she was advocating on behalf of the CIA's position
when it was drafted as a senior Justice Department official. She too has
said that mere overseas travel in an undercover capacity is not enough to
trigger the protections of the statute.
The "affirmative measures" provision of Sec. 421 is not defined in the
statute, and this omission also presents some difficulties.
For example, is the taking of "affirmative measures" by the CIA negated by
actions of the CIA which at the same time work to defeat those affirmative
measures?
The CIA took affirmative measures in the sense that Plame had NOC cover
through a front energy company which the agency created and for whom Plame
ostensibly worked during her overseas postings in the 1990s.
But, when she returned to the United States in 1997, she didn't continue
to maintain the NOC cover by working at an office identified as the dummy
front company. Rather, she drove through the gates of Langley every day for
about 6 years on her way to a desk job at CIA HQ.
Does the fact that the CIA maintained her as "covert" on paper simply by
not revealing her previous work and continuing to keep handy her NOC cover
in case it might be of use (such as when need to for an occasional overseas
trip for a discreet purpose) also mean that she still falls under the
protections of the statute when anyone with a camera could stand on the road
leading to Langley and take her picture driving in and out of the CIA?
I think these were the difficulties Fitzgerald faced in trying to
determine whether he had a prosecutable case under the Intelligence
Identities Act, in addition to the question of intent that you mentioned.
I think this difficulty is revealed by how much he danced around that
question. He knew that the CIA wanted to assert that she was covert, but he
also knew that the CIA took actions inconsistent with that assertion.
The IIPA definition of covert is much much different then the CIA's
definition, and yes....that makes a difference.
UPDATE II
Classic quote from Ed Morrissey:
Plame drove into the office in Langley. She traveled abroad under her own
name. She helped arrange for her husband to do some fact-checking on a
sensitive intelligence matter. Her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,
then came home and leaked his observations to two nationally-known
journalists, and then wrote his own op-ed in the New York Times under his
byline.
And her husband managed to list her in Who's Who, where any journalist
could look up the entry -- and where Robert Novak did just that.
If that's keeping an agent covert, it speaks volumes about the agency's
competence during the George Tenet years.
I think we know what the competence of the CIA was, and is. Just look at
the quality of people they churn out what with Plame, Larry Johnson and the
rest of the ViPer's.
--
"The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is
worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then
we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq." President George Bush
2003
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You know what is missing? And correct me if I'm wrong, but in all the
testimony and public discussion and speculation, I've not seen one
mention of the people in the White House (Cheney, Libby, etc...)
asking or inquiring as to Plame's status. You lay out all these
details of the law that might be interpretted as Plame not being
covert, yet there is no sign that the people who spoke of her job put
any thought into the law or whether she was qualified. So, perhaps no
law was technically broken. But frankly I don't care, because it
appears no law was broken out of pure luck, not because they were
careful. They blabbed a CIA asset's identity for political purposes
without a second thought, and never questioned the legality of it. |
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John R Rybock Guest
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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On May 30, 11:16 am, "Harry Dope" <TheWarIsL...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of course
27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial. The other 3
are details from the CIA about her travel.
On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO).
She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA
Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with
responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel
overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more
than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled
under a cover identity--sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias--but
always using cover--whether official or non-official cover (NOC)--with no
ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
I mean a foreign country would never keep tabs on the real names of agents
would they? But hey, she was "covert".
Either way you look at it she was not a covert agent covered by the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, this is why ole Fitz' never
brought any charges against the leaker of her name (a leaker other then her
husband who tended to talk alot at cocktail parties).
UPDATE
Great comment at Patterico's Pontifications:
Here's the prosecutorial "rub" from my perspective: I don't think the CIA's
view of who it deems "covert" neatly translates into the definition of
"covert" under the statute at issue. While its in the CIA's interest to
define "covert" as broadly as possible, thereby giving maximum coverage to
its assets, the statute in question recognized tension between the rights of
the press and the needs of the intelligence community, and defines the term
"covert" in a very non-specific manner.
The "5 Year" provision is a clear example, as is the "affirmative steps"
provision.
(4) The term "covert agent" means-
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or
a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an
intelligence agency-
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified
information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five
years served outside the United States;
This language begs the question of what is to be the definition of
"served"?
What Fitzgerald suggests in his Exhibit is that her personnel file only
describes trips she took abroad on agency business during a 5 year period,
not a period of time in which she was "posted" abroad. This is likely a key
distinction. And, any trips she took using "official" cover - i.e., she
passed herself off as a government official, just not an intelligence agent
of the CIA - likely don't count under the statute.
I found this excerpt from a USA Today article from 2005:
"The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the
identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas
assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be
long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say..
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she
wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney
who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities."
The second expert cited is Victoria Toensing. She obviously comes with an
agenda, but it can't be denied that she was at the table in 1982 when this
statute was drafted, and she was advocating on behalf of the CIA's position
when it was drafted as a senior Justice Department official. She too has
said that mere overseas travel in an undercover capacity is not enough to
trigger the protections of the statute.
The "affirmative measures" provision of Sec. 421 is not defined in the
statute, and this omission also presents some difficulties.
For example, is the taking of "affirmative measures" by the CIA negated by
actions of the CIA which at the same time work to defeat those affirmative
measures?
The CIA took affirmative measures in the sense that Plame had NOC cover
through a front energy company which the agency created and for whom Plame
ostensibly worked during her overseas postings in the 1990s.
But, when she returned to the United States in 1997, she didn't continue
to maintain the NOC cover by working at an office identified as the dummy
front company. Rather, she drove through the gates of Langley every day for
about 6 years on her way to a desk job at CIA HQ.
Does the fact that the CIA maintained her as "covert" on paper simply by
not revealing her previous work and continuing to keep handy her NOC cover
in case it might be of use (such as when need to for an occasional overseas
trip for a discreet purpose) also mean that she still falls under the
protections of the statute when anyone with a camera could stand on the road
leading to Langley and take her picture driving in and out of the CIA?
I think these were the difficulties Fitzgerald faced in trying to
determine whether he had a prosecutable case under the Intelligence
Identities Act, in addition to the question of intent that you mentioned.
I think this difficulty is revealed by how much he danced around that
question. He knew that the CIA wanted to assert that she was covert, but he
also knew that the CIA took actions inconsistent with that assertion.
The IIPA definition of covert is much much different then the CIA's
definition, and yes....that makes a difference.
UPDATE II
Classic quote from Ed Morrissey:
Plame drove into the office in Langley. She traveled abroad under her own
name. She helped arrange for her husband to do some fact-checking on a
sensitive intelligence matter. Her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,
then came home and leaked his observations to two nationally-known
journalists, and then wrote his own op-ed in the New York Times under his
byline.
And her husband managed to list her in Who's Who, where any journalist
could look up the entry -- and where Robert Novak did just that.
If that's keeping an agent covert, it speaks volumes about the agency's
competence during the George Tenet years.
I think we know what the competence of the CIA was, and is. Just look at
the quality of people they churn out what with Plame, Larry Johnson and the
rest of the ViPer's.
--
"The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is
worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then
we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq." President George Bush
2003
|
You know what is missing? And correct me if I'm wrong, but in all the
testimony and public discussion and speculation, I've not seen one
mention of the people in the White House (Cheney, Libby, etc...)
asking or inquiring as to Plame's status. You lay out all these
details of the law that might be interpretted as Plame not being
covert, yet there is no sign that the people who spoke of her job put
any thought into the law or whether she was qualified. So, perhaps no
law was technically broken. But frankly I don't care, because it
appears no law was broken out of pure luck, not because they were
careful. They blabbed a CIA asset's identity for political purposes
without a second thought, and never questioned the legality of it. |
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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"Harry Dope" <TheWarIsLost@earthlink.net> allegedly said in
news:465dbf86$0$9891$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
Ex-CIA officer called on to explain varied accounts |
Senator: Plame's versions add to 'misinformation'
By Richard Willing
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - Former CIA officer Valerie Plame should explain "differences"
in her various accounts of how her husband was sent to the African nation of
Niger in 2002 to investigate reports Iraq was trying to buy uranium there,
the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said.
Plame's differing versions have furthered "misinformation" about the origins
of the case that roiled Washington beginning in July 2003, said Sen. Kit
Bond, R-Mo. Plame gave those accounts to the CIA's inspector general, Senate
investigators and a House committee in March.
A February 2002 CIA memo released last week as part of a study of
pre-Iraq-war intelligence shows that Plame suggested her husband, former
State Department official Joseph Wilson, for the Niger trip, Bond said. That
"doesn't square" with Plame's March testimony in which she said an unnamed
CIA colleague raised her husband's name, Bond told USA TODAY.
Here are Plame's three versions of how Wilson was sent to Niger, according
to Bond:
..She told the CIA's inspector general in 2003 or 2004 that she had suggested
Wilson.
..Plame told Senate Intelligence Committee staffers in 2004 that she couldn't
remember whether she had suggested Wilson.
..She told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in March that
an unidentified person in Vice President Cheney's office asked a CIA
colleague about the African uranium report in February 2002. A third
officer, overhearing Plame and the colleague discussing this, suggested,
"Well, why don't we send Joe?" Plame told the committee.
CIA officials have been unable to verify Plame's March version, Bond said.
Paul Gimigliano, a CIA spokesman, said the "public record on the matter is
extensive, and, at this point, I can't add anything to it."
Plame's identity as an undercover CIA operative was revealed after Wilson
accused the Bush administration of ignoring his Africa findings. The
disclosure of Plame's status led to a federal investigation that culminated
in former White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby's conviction on charges of
perjury and obstruction of justice.
Libby is scheduled to be sentenced next Tuesday. In court papers made public
last weekend, prosecutors recommended he be sentenced to 30 to 37 months in
prison.
A spokeswoman for Sen. Jay Rockefeller, chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, said she's not sure whether Rockefeller would support having
committee investigators interview Plame. The priority for Rockefeller,
D-W.Va., is finishing the committee's investigation into Iraq war
intelligence, Wendy Morigi said.
Bond said he has written to the CIA for permission to re-interview Plame.
Plame has "always been very consistent that she is not the person
responsible for sending Joe Wilson" to Africa, said Melanie Sloan, Plame's
attorney.
Questioning Plame's truthfulness now, she said, is an attempt to draw
attention from the "real wrong here - a White House that outed a covert
operative and undermined national security."
Wilson, a former ambassador to Gabon, said later that he had found nothing
to support the report that Iraq was trying to buy uranium for a secret
nuclear program from Niger.
In July 2003, Wilson wrote a column in The New York Times accusing the Bush
administration of twisting prewar intelligence by including the erroneous
report in the president's State of the Union address the previous January -
two months before the war began.
Days later, Plame's CIA employment was revealed by syndicated columnist
Robert Novak. Plame and Wilson said the implication that she had used her
CIA status to arrange her husband's Niger trip was false. The disclosure,
they argued, was meant to discredit Wilson and his findings by suggesting
that the trip was merely a junket. |
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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Ex-CIA officer called on to explain varied accounts
Senator: Plame's versions add to 'misinformation'
By Richard Willing
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - Former CIA officer Valerie Plame should explain "differences"
in her various accounts of how her husband was sent to the African nation of
Niger in 2002 to investigate reports Iraq was trying to buy uranium there,
the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said.
Plame's differing versions have furthered "misinformation" about the origins
of the case that roiled Washington beginning in July 2003, said Sen. Kit
Bond, R-Mo. Plame gave those accounts to the CIA's inspector general, Senate
investigators and a House committee in March.
A February 2002 CIA memo released last week as part of a study of
pre-Iraq-war intelligence shows that Plame suggested her husband, former
State Department official Joseph Wilson, for the Niger trip, Bond said. That
"doesn't square" with Plame's March testimony in which she said an unnamed
CIA colleague raised her husband's name, Bond told USA TODAY.
Here are Plame's three versions of how Wilson was sent to Niger, according
to Bond:
..She told the CIA's inspector general in 2003 or 2004 that she had suggested
Wilson.
..Plame told Senate Intelligence Committee staffers in 2004 that she couldn't
remember whether she had suggested Wilson.
..She told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in March that
an unidentified person in Vice President Cheney's office asked a CIA
colleague about the African uranium report in February 2002. A third
officer, overhearing Plame and the colleague discussing this, suggested,
"Well, why don't we send Joe?" Plame told the committee.
CIA officials have been unable to verify Plame's March version, Bond said.
Paul Gimigliano, a CIA spokesman, said the "public record on the matter is
extensive, and, at this point, I can't add anything to it."
Plame's identity as an undercover CIA operative was revealed after Wilson
accused the Bush administration of ignoring his Africa findings. The
disclosure of Plame's status led to a federal investigation that culminated
in former White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby's conviction on charges of
perjury and obstruction of justice.
Libby is scheduled to be sentenced next Tuesday. In court papers made public
last weekend, prosecutors recommended he be sentenced to 30 to 37 months in
prison.
A spokeswoman for Sen. Jay Rockefeller, chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, said she's not sure whether Rockefeller would support having
committee investigators interview Plame. The priority for Rockefeller,
D-W.Va., is finishing the committee's investigation into Iraq war
intelligence, Wendy Morigi said.
Bond said he has written to the CIA for permission to re-interview Plame.
Plame has "always been very consistent that she is not the person
responsible for sending Joe Wilson" to Africa, said Melanie Sloan, Plame's
attorney.
Questioning Plame's truthfulness now, she said, is an attempt to draw
attention from the "real wrong here - a White House that outed a covert
operative and undermined national security."
Wilson, a former ambassador to Gabon, said later that he had found nothing
to support the report that Iraq was trying to buy uranium for a secret
nuclear program from Niger.
In July 2003, Wilson wrote a column in The New York Times accusing the Bush
administration of twisting prewar intelligence by including the erroneous
report in the president's State of the Union address the previous January -
two months before the war began.
Days later, Plame's CIA employment was revealed by syndicated columnist
Robert Novak. Plame and Wilson said the implication that she had used her
CIA status to arrange her husband's Niger trip was false. The disclosure,
they argued, was meant to discredit Wilson and his findings by suggesting
that the trip was merely a junket. |
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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Harry Dope wrote:
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
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Lies and distortions are all you have. It must suck to be so desperate.
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The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of course
27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial. The other 3
are details from the CIA about her travel.
On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central
Intelligence
Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations
(DO). She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA
Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with
responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel
overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more
than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled
under a cover identity--sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias--but
always using cover--whether official or non-official cover (NOC)--with no
ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
I mean a foreign country would never keep tabs on the real names of agents
would they? But hey, she was "covert".
Either way you look at it she was not a covert agent covered by the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, this is why ole Fitz'
never brought any charges against the leaker of her name (a leaker other
then her husband who tended to talk alot at cocktail parties).
UPDATE
Great comment at Patterico's Pontifications:
Here's the prosecutorial "rub" from my perspective: I don't think the
CIA's
view of who it deems "covert" neatly translates into the definition of
"covert" under the statute at issue. While its in the CIA's interest to
define "covert" as broadly as possible, thereby giving maximum coverage to
its assets, the statute in question recognized tension between the rights
of the press and the needs of the intelligence community, and defines the
term "covert" in a very non-specific manner.
The "5 Year" provision is a clear example, as is the "affirmative steps"
provision.Stocks Jump, S&P 500 Hits Record Close
Wednesday May 30, 4:33 pm ET
By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer
Wall Street Advances As Fed Minutes Fail to Surprise, S&P 500 Index Closes
at Record High
NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street advanced sharply Wednesday, sending the
Standard &
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Poor's 500 index to its first record close in more than seven
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years, after minutes from the Federal Reserve's last meeting offered
investors no major surprises about the economy. The Dow Jones industrials
also reached a new high close.
The S&P 500, considered by traders as the best barometer of U.S. stocks,
surpassed the record of 1,527.46, set March 24, 2000, at the peak of the
dot-com boom, closing at 1,530.23, up 12.12, or 0.80 percent, according to
preliminary calculations.
The index of 500 of the nation's biggest companies was powered by
investors' relief over the minutes from the Fed's May 9 meeting of its
Open Market Committee. The central bankers called inflation "uncomfortably
high," a stance that made it less likely that the Fed would act to cut
interest rates. But Wall Street, which had been hoping for signs of a rate
reduction, coped well with that reality -- and were pleased that a rate
hike didn't seem to be in the offing.
The S&P 500, which crossed its closing record on May 21 and then
retreated, remains below its all-time trading high of 1,552.87, also
reached in March 2000.
The Dow, the first of the major market indexes to recover from Wall
Street's prolonged slump in the early part of the decade, closed at
13,633.08, up 111.74, or 0.83 percent, and also reached a new trading high
of 13,636.09.
The recovery of the S&P 500 comes as the index now has fewer technology
stocks than in 2000. Financial-services companies, which now make up the
largest slice of the index, have helped drive the market's run since the
second half of last year.
By comparison, the Nasdaq isn't expected to reach its closing high of
5,048.62, set March 24, 2000, anytime soon. The tech-dominated index --
which closed up 20.53, or 0.80 percent, at 2,592.59 -- was arguably
overinflated by the rush to join the Internet boom.
The record close for the S&P and Dow came after the markets had opened
sharply lower following a pullback in the often volatile Chinese stock
markets. But, investors remained resilient and pushed stocks higher after
determining China's woes were likely contained and found little reason for
pessimism from the Fed's comments.
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(4) The term "covert agent" means-
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency
or
a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an
intelligence agency-
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified
information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last
five
years served outside the United States;
This language begs the question of what is to be the definition of
"served"?
What Fitzgerald suggests in his Exhibit is that her personnel file only
describes trips she took abroad on agency business during a 5 year period,
not a period of time in which she was "posted" abroad. This is likely a
key distinction. And, any trips she took using "official" cover - i.e.,
she passed herself off as a government official, just not an intelligence
agent of the CIA - likely don't count under the statute.
I found this excerpt from a USA Today article from 2005:
"The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the
identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an
overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must
be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law
say.. "Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their
marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce
Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert
agents' identities."
The second expert cited is Victoria Toensing. She obviously comes with
an
agenda, but it can't be denied that she was at the table in 1982 when this
statute was drafted, and she was advocating on behalf of the CIA's
position when it was drafted as a senior Justice Department official. She
too has said that mere overseas travel in an undercover capacity is not
enough to trigger the protections of the statute.
The "affirmative measures" provision of Sec. 421 is not defined in the
statute, and this omission also presents some difficulties.
For example, is the taking of "affirmative measures" by the CIA negated
by
actions of the CIA which at the same time work to defeat those affirmative
measures?
The CIA took affirmative measures in the sense that Plame had NOC cover
through a front energy company which the agency created and for whom Plame
ostensibly worked during her overseas postings in the 1990s.
But, when she returned to the United States in 1997, she didn't continue
to maintain the NOC cover by working at an office identified as the dummy
front company. Rather, she drove through the gates of Langley every day
for about 6 years on her way to a desk job at CIA HQ.
Does the fact that the CIA maintained her as "covert" on paper simply by
not revealing her previous work and continuing to keep handy her NOC cover
in case it might be of use (such as when need to for an occasional
overseas trip for a discreet purpose) also mean that she still falls under
the protections of the statute when anyone with a camera could stand on
the road leading to Langley and take her picture driving in and out of the
CIA?
I think these were the difficulties Fitzgerald faced in trying to
determine whether he had a prosecutable case under the Intelligence
Identities Act, in addition to the question of intent that you mentioned.
I think this difficulty is revealed by how much he danced around that
question. He knew that the CIA wanted to assert that she was covert, but
he also knew that the CIA took actions inconsistent with that assertion.
The IIPA definition of covert is much much different then the CIA's
definition, and yes....that makes a difference.
UPDATE II
Classic quote from Ed Morrissey:
Plame drove into the office in Langley. She traveled abroad under her
own
name. She helped arrange for her husband to do some fact-checking on a
sensitive intelligence matter. Her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,
then came home and leaked his observations to two nationally-known
journalists, and then wrote his own op-ed in the New York Times under his
byline.
And her husband managed to list her in Who's Who, where any journalist
could look up the entry -- and where Robert Novak did just that.
If that's keeping an agent covert, it speaks volumes about the agency's
competence during the George Tenet years.
I think we know what the competence of the CIA was, and is. Just look at
the quality of people they churn out what with Plame, Larry Johnson and
the rest of the ViPer's.
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:16:37 -0400, "Harry Dope"
<TheWarIsLost@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Classic quote from Ed Morrissey:
Plame drove into the office in Langley. She traveled abroad under her own
name. She helped arrange for her husband to do some fact-checking on a
sensitive intelligence matter. Her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,
then came home and leaked his observations to two nationally-known
journalists, and then wrote his own op-ed in the New York Times under his
byline.
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Add to this that Joe Wilson's op-ed in the NYT has been conclusively
shown to be a lie about his Niger trip. The CIA concluded from his
original oral report that there was good reason to believe that Iraq
had been shopping for uranium in Niger.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again |
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On May 30, 3:29 pm, "Valarie Plame Perjurer and Not Covert Clinton
HAck" <Plame the Perjurer @ democrats.org> wrote:
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Plame's differing versions have furthered "misinformation" about the origins
of the case that roiled Washington beginning in July 2003, said Sen. Kit
Bond, R-Mo. Plame gave those accounts to the CIA's inspector general, Senate
investigators and a House committee in March.
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Is Kit Bond a reliable source?
The report also quotes an internal CIA memo written by
Wilson's wife, Plame, stating: "my husband has good
relations with both the PM (prime minister) and the
former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French
contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on
this sort of activity." Based on Plame's internal memo
and other evidence, three Republicans -- Roberts and Sens.
Orrin Hatch of Utah and Kit Bond of Missouri -- wrote
additional views appended to the report, concluding
that "the plan to send the former ambassador to Niger
was suggested" by Plame. The three GOP senators
criticized their Democratic counterparts on the panel
for refusing to endorse this conclusion.
In his letter to the committee, Wilson disputed the
Republican senators' characterization. "There is no
suggestion or recommendation in that statement that I
be sent on the trip," he wrote. A CIA spokeswoman
declined to comment. In an interview, Wilson said that
his wife was stating facts about his background, not
pushing that he go to Niger.
So it seems Kit Bond has known for at least approaching
two years that his current claim about Valerie's story
in the past is false yet he still panders his, what can
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: Re: The MSM Covers For Rightards Once Again |
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Harry Dope wrote:
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The MSM Covers For Plame Once Again
The Plame affair gets even more hilarious. Now Fitzgerald released a
lengthy 30 page file purporting to prove that Plame was covert. Of course
27 of those pages are her testimony to the Waxman show trial. The other 3
are details from the CIA about her travel.
On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO).
She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA
Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with
responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel
overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more
than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled
under a cover identity--sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias--but
always using cover--whether official or non-official cover (NOC)--with no
ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms.
Wilson's employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson
was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures
to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.
So basically what constitutes a "covert" agent within the CIA is that they
travel overseas sometimes using an alias, sometimes using their true name.
Wow.
Just wow.
I mean a foreign country would never keep tabs on the real names of agents
would they? But hey, she was "covert".
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They didn't know she was a spy. Are all rightards as stupid as you?
LOL
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf
The responsibilities of certain CIA employees required that their
association with the CIA be kept secret; as a result, the fact that
these individuals were employed by the CIA was classified.
Disclosure of the fact that such individuals were employed by the
CIA had the potential to damage the national security in ways that
ranged from preventing the future use of those individuals in a
covert capacity, to compromising intelligence-gathering methods and
operations, and endangering the safety of CIA employees and those
who dealt with them.
[...]
Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson ("Valerie
Wilson"). At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July
2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment
status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson's
affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the
intelligence community.
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