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Bob Kolker
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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Just as you can find all of the information you need to design and
write your own operating system.
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Been there, done that. Yes it is possible for those with the inclination
and the wits. You are just miffed that most people are either too stupid
or too lazy to do what is necessary to help themselves. They want
someone to take care of them -for free-.
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Bob Kolker
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
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Another nazi-wannabe.
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Not a Nazi. A Darwinist. I do not wish to kill anyone. I just wish to be
allowed to permit people in the water to drown.
Do you know the difference between actively killing someone and
permitting them to die (but not causing their extremity). If I don't
feed a starving person, I am not doing any wrong provided I did not
cause his iniability to feed himself. Burning crops is a crime. Not
feeding the hungry is not a crime. It is unkind, perhaps. But think, if
you are down to your last crust of bread and you will starve if you spit
it, would you give away half to you starving neighbor's children? You
bet you won't. So take your moral superiority elsewhere.
Bob Kolker
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Bob Kolker
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Michael Scheltgen wrote:
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LOL! Yeah, just crank up WebMD.com when you're in a gurney awaiting
treatment after a car accident. And then order the doctors around (they
just love that) telling them exactly what treatment you want for the
injuries you and your doctors haven't even pinpointed yet. Then expect
them to carry out your morphine impaired directions even if it causes
them to lose their medical licenses.
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One can also go the library and read the medical journals. I do. And if
one is not sufficiently educated to profit by this excercise, then
tought shit. The information is out there for those clever enough and
energetic enough to get it.
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Michael Scheltgen
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Bob Kolker wrote:
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Michael Scheltgen wrote:
LOL! Yeah, just crank up WebMD.com when you're in a gurney awaiting
treatment after a car accident. And then order the doctors around
(they just love that) telling them exactly what treatment you want for
the injuries you and your doctors haven't even pinpointed yet. Then
expect them to carry out your morphine impaired directions even if it
causes them to lose their medical licenses.
One can also go the library and read the medical journals. I do. And if
one is not sufficiently educated to profit by this excercise, then
tought shit. The information is out there for those clever enough and
energetic enough to get it.
Bob Kolker
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Riight! Just roll your guerney to the hospital's medical library and do
the above. You missed the point: can you use that information when
you're unconcious or in pain and anesthetized? Do you really believe
reading a few medical journals allows you to override the decisions of a
physician who's made a career out of performing particular procedures?
A physician who is licensed and has his or her work reviewed regularly!?
Please.
And how is this supposed to alter the premiums you pay? Not that it
matters -- I'd venture you're on a government insurance plan of some
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Joe S.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Moonie Times Editorial displays ignorance of the law |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"The inherently political trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former
chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, was bereft of an underlying
crime, subject to the whims of an arrogant and overzealous prosecutor in
the person of Patrick Fitzgerald, and totally beside the point once Deputy
Secretary of State Richard Armitage was revealed as the "outer,"
so-called, of Valerie Plame. Nevertheless, this, too, is beside the point.
A citizen jury was empaneled to judge Libby's guilt on five counts of
obstructing justice, lying and perjury.
*The jury assessed the preponderance of evidence*
*pointing to the defendant's guilt on four of the five counts*. ..."
*In criminal cases, and this one is criminal*
*case, guilt is established "beyond a reasonable doubt*"
Is the Moonie Times doing this intentionally or are they simply ignorant?
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Both. |
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Michael Scheltgen
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
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royls@telus.net> wrote in message news:45ed9d93.14409140@news.telus.net...
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:34:02 -0800, "Jerry Okamura"
okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"Nospam" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
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This post seems to be yet another effort corporate thieves is to pay
crooks
to spew lies on the internet, in the desperate hope that some weak
minded
idiots may believe this trash.
Quite a number of reports provide evidence from international
studies that
as much you privatize a medical system as worst it gets and as
expensive.
Based on a study from the World Health Organization US ranks 37th into
quality of healthcare (rather mediocre) yet we pay over 2.5 times as
the
number 1: France !!! And in US over 50% of all bankruptcies are due to
medical problems in middle class INSURED people while in France this
number
is 0 !!! US have 47Milions (over 15.6% of the population) uninsured
while
France have none. Yet, we pay per capita (uninsured included) 2.5
times as
much as French do. Quite ridiculous !!!
The difference ? US system is strongly privatized and the "free
market"/"for
proffit" is allowed to dictate most of the healthcare decisions
while the
French system is highly regulated by government and driven to
maximize the
medical benefits for the society.
Do a little more research. Find out what the medical inflation rate
is over
a long period of time, in any country with a fairly extensive third
party
payment system. Then find out what their overall rate of inflation
is. You
will find that in every one of these countries, over a long period of
time,
their medical inflation rate is consistently higher than their
overall rate
of inflation. Ask yourself this very simple question, why is that
the case?
When you figure that out, you will then begin to understand what the
core
problem is.
Hehe. YOU obviously haven't figured it out yet, champ....
Cute but no cigar. You cannot effectively control prices, when there is
virtually unlimited demand for ANY product or service, other than to
implement a system, like socialism, where you control everything, from
prices to services.
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But there is not unlimited demand for medical services. I am in Canada
and can visit a GP anytime I want and pay no out of pocket expenses
whatsoever, but I'm here typing this post. I could be getting free
health care -- I must be crazy to be sitting in front of my computer
instead of visiting my GP for free!
It is important to recognise that health STATUS is the objective *not*
health care. If anything, health care causes a disutility since medical
care is seldom pleasant (even with anesthesia). Like I said, no one
will line up for free appendectomies if they don't need them. |
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Mettas Mother
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: To whom does the Constitution apply? |
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About the part that the government wants the people to think that the government has all the answers
and that the government wants to control people by keeping them dependent is true is most countries!
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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That is because todays liberal believes that society should be
"dependent" on government for EVERYTHING. They want to increase
social programs so people will become more dependent instead of trying
to get off of the social programs. They want to lengthen the time a
person can remain on welfare instead of finding ways for people to get
off welfare.
They want society to think government has all the answers to their
problems, instead of society having independent thinkers. They despise
a entrepreneurs, innovator, self-thinker, and anyone in the military.
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osprey
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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On Mar 6, 9:07 pm, "David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com> wrote:
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In article <Ut-dncScRdVQb3DYnZ2dnUVZ_vShn...@comcast.com>, Osprey
NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
The Republican's had control of the Congress for over 10 years and the
White House and the Congress for a little over 6 years. The
Republicans will be in the White House for almost 2 more years,
fighting the Congress.
The Democrats have had control of the Congress for less than 2 months.
Not much time to do anything.
Tom S.
It appears that some want to really make this a party issue, when the
fact of the matter it isn't. It's a failure of our government, not
just Republicans or Democrats. Both parties failed. Are you saying
that since the Republicans controlled the congress and senate, that
the Democrats just laid down and did nothing? That isn't giving me
any confidence in the Democrats.
The Democrats fought as hard as they could, considering that they were
in the minority.
Show me.
Most of what they were able to accomplish came as
the result of compromise and back room deal making. The Republicans,
for some reason, seem to be adverse to public compromise.
Show me.
So much of
what gets accomplished, especially in the Senate, will be the result
of backroom deals, fervent public opinion and the Shrub's continuing
fuckups.
Tell ya what Tom, I'm not going to say that you're wrong. I got some
research to do, and if I find out some of the failures Democrats have
towards veterans health care, I'll see what I can find and how you react.
Once again <snip
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Shuddup liar. I'm interested in what Tom has to say, not you. Go back
to whining and complaining. You have been proven too many times to
lie and distort so anything you have to say, can't be trusted. |
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Michael Scheltgen
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Michael Scheltgen wrote:
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no one will line up for free appendectomies if they don't need them.
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That should read if their physician doesn't order them to get one. |
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osprey
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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On Mar 6, 9:07 pm, "David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com> wrote:
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In article <PtWdneKxQP7EF3DYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpn...@comcast.com>, Osprey
NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:060320070732190054%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...
In article <1173162903.816704.15...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On Mar 6, 12:35 am, "David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com> wrote:
In article <1173158119.858071.173...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:21 pm, Tom S <tscal...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:16:09 -0500, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com
wrote:
"Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Republicans said government doesn't work.
As soon as they had control they set out to prove it.
Republicans have been working at making
government not work for nearly six and a half years
Shuddup with that bipartisan bullshit.
This isn't about Republicans v.s. Democrats.
Democrats haven't done any better.
The Republican's had control of the Congress for over 10 years and
the
White House and the Congress for a little over 6 years. The
Republicans will be in the White House for almost 2 more years,
fighting the Congress.
The Democrats have had control of the Congress for less than 2
months.
Not much time to do anything.
Tom S.
It appears that some want to really make this a party issue, when the
fact of the matter it isn't. It's a failure of our government, not
just Republicans or Democrats. Both parties failed. Are you saying
that since the Republicans controlled the congress and senate, that
the Democrats just laid down and did nothing? That isn't giving me
any confidence in the Democrats.
When it was pointed out that
David Barnes had turned his back on his country, he admitted to such.
LIAR.
Too bad for you, I am your worst nightmare and keep records.
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:14:55 -0800
From: "David W. Barnes" <dwbar...@barnsco.com>Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Message-ID: <100220072314552008%dwbar...@barnsco.com
"About turning my back on my country? Agreed."
Idiot. Is that distortion the best you have?-
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You said it, so don't complain that I kept it on record. |
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osprey
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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On Mar 7, 12:58 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
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Bob Kolker <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Which isn't a problem in the US. Except, of course, when republicans
allow corporations to pollute the air and water and sell food that
causes health problems.
Fuck that. The air and water in the U.S. has been steadily polluted
since the 19th century.
Obviously you're reduced to playing dishonest games. Air and water
have been greatly improved since the 1970s, despite the objections of
corporate interests and the republicans that serve them.
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Is that why in most states, they have health warnings about swimming
in ponds, rivers, lakes, and oceans, and warning people to eat a very
small limited amount of fish or none at all?
That's a great improvement in your eyes? |
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Hatto von Aquitanien
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the |
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Roger wrote:
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Hatto von Aquitanien wrote
in message <YMqdnXy-t5RdiHbYnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@speakeasy.net>:
"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form
of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson
quote
Monday, February 05, 2007
German Trial of Germar for 'Holocaust Denial': DAY 8
The Trial of Germar Rudolf in Mannheim District Court
Day 8, January 29, 2007
[Germar is in jail in Germany, on trial for doubting the existence of
homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz. For earlier reports, see the sections
marked "Previous Posts" and "Archives"]
No, he is in jail for promoting National Socialism by attempting to
minimize the crimes committed by that regime by dishonest means.
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What were the actual charges?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,466785,00.html
--
Nil conscire sibi |
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Nospam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: What will universal healthcare be like? Just look at the |
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Bob Kolker wrote:
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Nospam wrote:
Health care insurance it is just incompatible with business practice.
Once you cover everybody, the demand will always exceed the supply
because everybody wants to be healthier. At that point in time, the
regulation over the practice are required to provide more care where is
needed most.
How about medical service for cash.
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That is crap.
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Ordinary pricing will provide the regulation you speak of.
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This is a pathetic lie, libertarian style. Not at all.
The unemployed with an appendicitis will have less cash than Paris Hilton
for vanity surgery. Instead of reducing prices, the market will just
provide 10 doctors to assist into the nose correction for P.H. while 9
homeless die in pain because they doctors followed the money.
The "free market" it is the most idiotic approach to healthcare and only
parasitic and criminal and mentally insane libertarians want that kind of
crap.
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The consumption of services will be limited by
costs (largely a matter of technology) and the ability to pay. The
hardship on the poor can be somewhat ameliorated by physicians and
medical suppliers to give away some of their produce as charity. The
poor have always survived by accepting crumbs from the tables of their
betters.
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Well, let have the rich survive from leftovers. If you are that Spartan let
try a better approach: Test anyone's IQ at the age of 14 and sterilize any
man (regardless of wealth) with an IQ less than 120.
Why the rightards libertarians always want money to be involved ?
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Also easing or eliminating license requirements will enable a larger
number of providers to enter the market.
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I heard the drill before. Libertarians believe that if we allow the butchers
to perform brain surgery, the price for brain surgery will go down.
Well, I agree with that IF AND ONLY IF the butcher will provide the surgery
for libertarians alone and ALL the libertarians will get their surgery
performed by butchers. By doing this, the average mentall sanity in the
world will skyrocket. That is a guarantee.
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your farm that somehow the government flunkies will get seats. You
fucking precious government does NOTHING to invent new medical
techniques or permit the talented to sell their services as the market
permits. You fucking precious government is the abominable No Man which
can only restrict and refuse.
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What about make economy and do not provide ANY medical care to person with
IQ less than 120 REGARDLESS OF THEIR WEALTH. It will be a better world
outthere without libertarians and neoconservatives. |
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Jan Panteltje
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sun Responsible for Global Warming - National Geographic |
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On a sunny day (6 Mar 2007 12:43:11 -0800) it happened "H2-PV Fast Track to
Energy Security" <Energy.Security@HydrogenFREEDOM.info> wrote in
<1173213791.033855.88750@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
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On Mar 6, 3:21 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We need the tech to deal with it, or we will perish.
Could you please perish quickly?
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Only the stupid refer to insults and threats, and you seem to be in that category.
The stupid have no scientific arguments, are you posting to ..politics because
you think your stupidity will not be noticed?
Rent a brain! |
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Jan Panteltje
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Sun Responsible for Global Warming - National Geographic |
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On a sunny day (6 Mar 2007 13:18:36 -0800) it happened "H2-PV Fast Track to
Energy Security" <Energy.Security@HydrogenFREEDOM.info> wrote in
<1173215916.836059.195890@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
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On Mar 6, 3:21 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You mean you did not notice mars was dry, and the thousands of publications it had
water in the past?
Antarctica used to have liquid water on the surface in the past and
doesn't now. That doesn't mean it got warmer.
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Sahara used to be full of plants and lakes.
Your brain, when rented, should learn the meaning of the word "CYCLE". |
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