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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

From the July 26th 2000 online issue of the Journal of the American Medical
Association (JAMA), and in the Aug. 28, 2000 issue of the American Medical
News, comes some sad statistics concerning the state of health in the United
States. These numbers should be viewed in the light that Americans spend
more by far on medical care than any other country in the world. The United
States spends 13.7% of its gross domestic product on medical care. This is
more than any of the 191 World Health Organizations member nations. Read
these statistics and judge for yourself.

US life expectancy ranked 24th of the WHO nations.
The US ranked 37th in overall health system performance putting it between
Costa Rica and Slovenia.


The United States fell way down on the WHO list according to fairness in
financing its health care system. In this category the US came in at 54th,
between the Republic of Korea and Fiji.

In a comparison done between 13 nations in the 1998 Oxford University Press,
the United States also showed glaring weaknesses in its health care system.
Of the 13 nations in the study the US ranked;

13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall
11th for postneonatal mortality
13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
10th for age-adjusted mortality
Other interesting facts that came out of the report were:

12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications
These statistics reflect a medical system that is in need of revamping, not
just creative refinancing. It should be noted that chiropractic care is not
calculated into these statistics and therefore is not contributing to the
unimpressive US health statistics.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

But education is only one reason Toyota chose Ontario. Canada's other big
selling point is its national health insurance system, which saves auto
manufacturers large sums in benefit payments compared with their costs in
the United States.

You might be tempted to say that Canadian taxpayers are, in effect,
subsidizing Toyota's move by paying for health coverage. But that's not
right, even aside from the fact that Canada's health care system has far
lower costs per person than the American system, with its huge
administrative expenses. In fact, U.S. taxpayers, not Canadians, will be
hurt by the northward movement of auto jobs.



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/25krugman.html?ex=1279944000&en=40e11f0fc3b8baa7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss



http://www.nhchc.org/humanright.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Panic collapse of US Dollar Reply with quote

"Democrat Skank Maggot" <skankmaggot@speaker pelosi'shouse.org> wrote in
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"Democrat Skank Maggot" <skankmaggot@speaker pelosi'shouse.org> wrote in
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I have never seen anything like this before. I monitor the value of
the US dollar every day as because my CurrCon currency converter loads
up the daily exchange rates.. I have a Vista widget on my desktop
that shows the relative values of the US and Canadian dollar.

HOUR BY HOUR I can see the US dollar losing value another percentage
point.

My roommate is highly annoyed. Every point means hundreds of lost
dollars from an inheritance coming eventually in US dollars.
=========================

^This really helps out all those Canadians that flock to the US for
their medical treatments to avoid the 1 mile long Ques up there,
because the dollar is cheaper and their medical costs for treatment in
the States is much less.
No woner there are so many Ontario Plates in the Detroit hospital
parking lots down the street from my office.

No, those would be Canadians WORKING at the Detroit hospitals.
========================

So the canadian Helath care system is so bad that even Doctors and nurses
choose to work in the US Hospitals so they dont have to wait in long lines
for their own care when they need it.
I see.....................

Canadian health care workers more interested in money than caring for their
patients tend to go work in the American system. Given a choice, would you
prefer a doctor or nurse who was in the profession for the money, or one
who's primary motivation was to care for their patients?


Quote:


Canadians begin waiting for surgery before getting on the "wait list"
New CIHI report pulls together health services wait times information from
across Canada, providing a guide to who is waiting for what and for how
long.

March 7, 2006-Much of the attention on waiting for health care focuses on
surgical and diagnostic imaging wait lists. New data show that, at least
in some cases, waiting to see a specialist also makes up a significant
proportion of the overall waiting period for care. For example, in the
case of hip and knee replacement patients, nearly one-third of the time
between referral to a specialist and surgery was spent waiting for an
initial visit to the orthopedic surgeon.

http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=media_07mar2006_e


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Greatest economy in history remains storng despite liber Reply with quote

Quote:
liberalhere@yahoo com writes:

ahall@no-spam-panix.com> wrote in
news> kpgmyzjsuaj.fsf@panix2.panix.com:


Quote:
CB writes:

CB> "Mani Deli" <mani@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news> 4vhu531g5u8ovqps0137f12imq653dd6ql@4ax.com...
Quote:

Sure is!
The U.S. is run like Enron, they spout the same
bullshit, have two sets of books, release crooked
statistics and tell you all's well while they are
robbing you blind.

Wait a while and the whole thing will collapse.

Anyone who makes less than 60,000 and votes Republican
is voting to screw himself.

CB> The economy is growing, dumb ass.

Marginally.

liberalhere> Not counting the collapse of the US auto industry, the transfer
liberalhere> of the computer industry to China, the transfer of consumer
liberalhere> manufacturing to China. Apparently you think the manufacturing of
liberalhere> military hardware, to be blown up in Iraq, is a positive.

Counting all of it. No, I do not think the adventure in Iraq
is positive in any way.

Quote:

CB> The last two Dim Presidents had a Dims majority in
Congress for the most CB> part and put the economy in
(three months of consecutive decline) recession.

For six of Clinton's eight years there was a GOP majority in
both houses. Your ignorance is amazing.

The growth under Clinton was far greater than the growth
under either Bush, and a bit better than under Reagan.

Again, your ignorance is amazing.

CB> Republican Presidents spur growth and haven't ran
their economies into CB> recession.

Actually, post war, the economy has done significantly better
when a democrat is president. You could look up these things
before posting falsehoods, but for some reason you prefer
ignorance.

CB> You be sure and tell us when the Bush economy goes
into negative growth like CB> Dim lead economies.

When was the last recession while a democrat was in office?

CB> If this immigration bill passes it'll be the end of
growth, forever.

Immigrants are good for growth.

liberalhere> You plan on paying the 2-3 trillion cost of these illegals? Do
liberalhere> you have rooms in your house that a few illegal families could
liberalhere> move into? If 12-20 million illegals is "good", are you demanding
liberalhere> open borders for the one billion poor Chinese and one billion
liberalhere> poor Indians? Or are you a racist?

People that come here and work are a benefit not a cost.
You need to educate yourself.

Quote:

CB> The backlog of immigrants coming to America legally is
6 million. If the CB> bill passes there will be an instant
18 million added to the backlog of CB> applicants to be
processed. That means more bureaucracy, more taxes and
more CB> terrorists able to stay here legally...at least
until the bureaucracy CB> catches them, which if
government lives up to its failure to protect us, CB> will
be never.

It will mean more labor and more production. Good.

liberalhere> Ahhhh, you need a few more brown laborers in your house to feel
liberalhere> like a real American? "More production"??? Care to say what you
liberalhere> think we're "producing?

The more workers the more production. We produce more than any other
country in the world. You can look up the details if you have any actual
interest in facts (you seem like one of the yahoos that prefers ideology
to facts).

liberalhere> "Good"??? Here's a homework assignment for you: List the
liberalhere> countries of the world based on their per capita output and
liberalhere> whether a country is self-sufficient in food. Guess what! The US
liberalhere> is no longer self-sufficient. Every additional illegal is an
liberalhere> increase in our trade deficit.

Sheesh!

CB> You Libs whine about the most stupid things
Quote:


You are amazingly ignorant.

liberalhere> And you seem unable to process new information. Some might call
liberalhere> that ignorance, I suspect Alzheimer's.

I process new information all the time. I reject mindless propaganda of
the sort you seem to eat up.



--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

"Werner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Jun 2, 12:26 pm, "chess" <ches...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message

news:1180799374.802914.63360@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...



On Jun 2, 7:32 am, "chess" <ches...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
...
How greedy are those who want other people to pay their health
insurance?
You forgot to answer my questions:
How much do you think billionairs owe to others? Why exactly should
anyone have to pay for your health insurance? lots of folks all over
the globe have no health care. Should you not pay for theirs in
addition to yours?

I'll repeat health care is a RIGHT NOT A PRIVILEGE. The billionaires
owe
the
poor, when you make your money on the back of the poor you owe them.

Really? Did you get this revelation from God? There are lots of people
with less than you. Which of the poor do you owe?

It is
a shame when the few controlling the balk of the money are sooooo
greedy
they can help the people that made that money for them. And people
like
you
are the ones that let them. The US is just to fucking stupid to
figure
out
how to protect it's people. Protection is more then from terrorist.
If
people like you are allow to continue to run this country we will be
Mexico
without health care.

I believe I gave you a link or two to show that the rich pay a lot of
taxes. How much is enough for you? Isn't it about time you do your
fair share?

I pay my taxes



So do I and the billionairs. Convince me it's "your fair share". Then
convince me billions don't pay their fair share. After that convince
me all those who pay a smaller percentage or no tax is fair. Tell me,
what is fair? Why is if fair for a billionair to pay your health
insurance? Why is it fair for 'your' government to force him to pay
for your health insurance? What is so fucking special about you that
other people should work for you?



DAVID ABROMOWITZ AND JOAN RUTTENBERG

Sharing the burden of war and taxes

By David Abromowitz and Joan Ruttenberg | April 9, 2007

TAX DAY is coming. For most Americans, it's merely a reminder to get that
paperwork done. But for many years, tax day reminded Americans that war
means sacrifice.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush has often invoked a spirit of
sacrifice and dedication to the greater good. Yet this call to sacrifice has
not made it into the administration's economic and tax policies.

In past wars, those who could most afford to pay did so. During World War
II, marginal tax rates on the wealthy reached over 90 percent. During wars
in Korea and Vietnam, and throughout the Cold War, the most fortunate among
us contributed almost as heavily to the national effort, paying at marginal
rates of over 50 percent. Economic sacrifices were shared.

But now the Bush White House insists that those making $300,000 and up --
already paying the lowest tax rates in 50 years -- needn't bother to pay a
penny more toward national needs. This, despite stepped-up national security
needs, active wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and the devastation of
Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, since top tax rates were cut to 35 percent in 2003, millions of
fortunate families, including our family, now pay many thousands of dollars
less per year in taxes than we did before Sept. 11. Where's the sacrifice in
that? (You can estimate your own savings using the Responsible Wealth online
tax cut calculator at responsiblewealth.org.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Aluminum-water powered engines! Reply with quote

mimus wrote:

Quote:
Sigh. This doesn't replace gasoline with water


Yes, actually, it does. But see below.

No, it doesn't. The water isn't burned, as gasoline
is. The net energy producing reaction is aluminum
+ oxygen --> aluminum oxide. Water is involved only
transiently, be regenerated when the hydrogen is
oxidized.

So, this is just a weird way of burning aluminum.
Wouldn't aluminum-air batteries be simpler and cheaper?

Paul
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: The GOP doesn't have the chance of a snowcone in Hell in Reply with quote

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:43:40 -0500, "Server 13" <c.bee1@insightbb.com>
wrote:

Quote:

"JimPgh" <iwantnomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:11:35 -0700, Some dumb guy <abc@xyz.com> wrote:

In fact, Hillary is looking pretty good to them now.

She's white.

You're a racist.

ROFLMAO Playing stupid, the #1 hobby of republicans everywhere!

You, OTOH, are stupid without playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Re: The GOP doesn't have the chance of a snowcone in Hell in Reply with quote

On Jun 2, 8:43 am, "Server 13" <c.b...@insightbb.com> wrote:
Quote:
"JimPgh" <iwantnom...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:b0k163ttk8s2uhet93n0lmv7hcn0ubjqti@4ax.com...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:11:35 -0700, Some dumb guy <a...@xyz.com> wrote:

In fact, Hillary is looking pretty good to them now.

She's white.

You're a racist.

ROFLMAO Playing stupid, the #1 hobby of republicans everywhere!

We shall see who's stupid. If the Democrats run Obama rather than
Clinton you will know that they are more stupid than the Repubs ever
have been.
Clinton is a sure thing and Obama doesn't have a Chinaman's chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: Aluminum-water powered engines! Reply with quote

Paul F. Dietz wrote:

Quote:
mimus wrote:

Sigh. This doesn't replace gasoline with water



Yes, actually, it does. But see below.


No, it doesn't. The water isn't burned, as gasoline
is. The net energy producing reaction is aluminum
+ oxygen --> aluminum oxide. Water is involved only
transiently, be regenerated when the hydrogen is
oxidized.

So, this is just a weird way of burning aluminum.
Wouldn't aluminum-air batteries be simpler and cheaper?

And more efficient.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: Why does the DNC appeal to stupid people? Reply with quote

On Jun 1, 10:18 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:
Quote:
Harry Dope wrote:

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall


By todays standards Mill is a Consevative.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: Barack Obama oitpolls every GOP candidate Reply with quote

"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjv@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message
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Even Fred Thompson.

care to cite these polls? Or are they the 'some dumb guy' one person
asked poll?

Obama is a lightweight who got lucky winning a election with two
opponets so bad, even my dead father could beat them (keyes and ryan).


I thought all polls are bad, at least thats what you say when you
disagree with the polls.

I don't doubt that Obama is beating repugs in fair polls. Most repugs,
you excepted, find their pary distatefull at best. Right now your pres,
the face of your party, is below 30%. That means that independents have
long ago left and centerist repugs are gone. Frankly, that leaves the
real nut cases. Sorry, I call them like I see them.

Then you can show these 'fair' polls, right Kevin?

I'm saying if Obama makes it past Hillary destruction machine (BIG IF),
then he has to go against a well funded and stocked republican machine.
Then the american people will see how much of a lightweight Obama really
is.



http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm



Just look at the numbers Sylvia and shut the fuck up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

On Jun 2, 4:00 pm, "chess" <ches...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
From the July 26th 2000 online issue of the Journal of the American Medical
Association (JAMA), and in the Aug. 28, 2000 issue of the American Medical
News, comes some sad statistics concerning the state of health in the United
States. These numbers should be viewed in the light that Americans spend
more by far on medical care than any other country in the world. The United
States spends 13.7% of its gross domestic product on medical care. This is
more than any of the 191 World Health Organizations member nations. Read
these statistics and judge for yourself.

US life expectancy ranked 24th of the WHO nations.
The US ranked 37th in overall health system performance putting it between
Costa Rica and Slovenia.

The United States fell way down on the WHO list according to fairness in
financing its health care system. In this category the US came in at 54th,
between the Republic of Korea and Fiji.

In a comparison done between 13 nations in the 1998 Oxford University Press,
the United States also showed glaring weaknesses in its health care system.
Of the 13 nations in the study the US ranked;

13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall
11th for postneonatal mortality
13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
10th for age-adjusted mortality
Other interesting facts that came out of the report were:

12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications
These statistics reflect a medical system that is in need of revamping, not
just creative refinancing. It should be noted that chiropractic care is not
calculated into these statistics and therefore is not contributing to the
unimpressive US health statistics.

First other governments are not this gov. Then you have to remember we
have more murders, drugs, overeating, smoking, driving, etc. and
lawyers all of which drive up costs. We also have no spending caps
like other countries do.

Lastly, how will government insurance be cheaper than regular
insurance? How will governmnt run health care cost less? When has gov
anything cost less?

Other countries spend less on lots of things. That is why they cost
less. Here we spend more so it costs more.

I'm all for spending less and reducing costs. The market will do that
best. Socialized medicine will do it worst.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: John P. slithers out of his hole; "debunking" yet anothe Reply with quote

In article <rISdnWgzVfxbuv_bnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
"John P." <JohnP_Da_Evil_Joo@WhyAreMoronsAttractedToMe.com> wrote:
Quote:

"-" <jazzerciser@hotmail.com> wrote in a message

Robin Hordon Former FAA Air Traffic Controller

Fired by Reagan during the ATC strike. At least he doesn't have an ax to
grind. We can be sure he's completely unbiased.

I'm a little curious why, as a former ATC, he would make the mistake of
claiming NORAD would be monitoring within the continental US. One would
think he was aware that NORAD, pre-9/11, only covered the borders and
coasts, and was only tasked with looking for threats coming in from outside
the US.

He does go on to make accurate comments about our state of readiness during
the cold war. I wonder if he is aware significant changes were made after
the end of the cold war.


http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=Ur5BTy8AAADQgHDD8ENDskqvmf3yA7oFG_Y1laa8M2-YLvbR_lUSGEP-1c0gJGy_f4KRuDE_7Hk&scoring=d&hl=en

Look at all of John P. 9/11 posts. Majority of which are spent on 9/11. Gee, could he have an agenda?
An ulterior motive? Kind of like the following clowns who frequent alt.conspiracy:

agent86@justicespammail.com
Al Dykes
Animal05 aka animal05
BDK
Douglas Berry
george
GovShill aka Shill #312
Hertz_Donut
John P.
Notan
SHOOTER586
Sunny
Vandar
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

On Jun 2, 4:00 pm, "chess" <ches...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
But education is only one reason Toyota chose Ontario. Canada's other big
selling point is its national health insurance system, which saves auto
manufacturers large sums in benefit payments compared with their costs in
the United States.

You might be tempted to say that Canadian taxpayers are, in effect,
subsidizing Toyota's move by paying for health coverage. But that's not
right, even aside from the fact that Canada's health care system has far
lower costs per person than the American system, with its huge
administrative expenses. In fact, U.S. taxpayers, not Canadians, will be
hurt by the northward movement of auto jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/25krugman.html?ex=127994400...

http://www.nhchc.org/humanright.html

Social Security has hardly any admin costs. Still Social Security is
going broke. Government health ins. (Medicaid and Medicare) also has
low admin costs but are going broke faster than SS.

And yes, Toyota is being subsidized by Canadians. If Congress
subsidiezed GM most folks would complain that GM wasn't doing its
fair share. Neither Toyota, GM should have to pay your health care.
Nor do they, customers pay for everything. Customers prefer to pay
less.

I understand you would prefer to have the gov pay your bills. But that
is not what it is for. You are supposed to pay your own bills.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/2/131641.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: WATCH MICHAEL MOORE'S INTERVIEW AND TAKE ACTION FOR UNIV Reply with quote

On Jun 2, 4:23 pm, "chess" <ches...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
...
DAVID ABROMOWITZ AND JOAN RUTTENBERG

Sharing the burden of war and taxes

By David Abromowitz and Joan Ruttenberg | April 9, 2007

TAX DAY is coming. For most Americans, it's merely a reminder to get that
paperwork done. But for many years, tax day reminded Americans that war
means sacrifice.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush has often invoked a spirit of
sacrifice and dedication to the greater good. Yet this call to sacrifice has
not made it into the administration's economic and tax policies.

In past wars, those who could most afford to pay did so. During World War
II, marginal tax rates on the wealthy reached over 90 percent. During wars
in Korea and Vietnam, and throughout the Cold War, the most fortunate among
us contributed almost as heavily to the national effort, paying at marginal
rates of over 50 percent. Economic sacrifices were shared.

But now the Bush White House insists that those making $300,000 and up --
already paying the lowest tax rates in 50 years -- needn't bother to pay a
penny more toward national needs. This, despite stepped-up national security
needs, active wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and the devastation of
Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, since top tax rates were cut to 35 percent in 2003, millions of
fortunate families, including our family, now pay many thousands of dollars
less per year in taxes than we did before Sept. 11. Where's the sacrifice in
that? (You can estimate your own savings using the Responsible Wealth online
tax cut calculator at responsiblewealth.org.)


Not convincing. If it were convincing people would volunteer to pay. I
don't see that sentiment in this country. If you ask them, more would
prefer to pay less. But what they want doesn't matter.

What I find interisting is that even when governments are in danger of
going broke paying for Medicaid, people who get Medicaid don't care. I
thing it would be a sign of sacrifice not to expect other people to
pay your bills. Don't you? It would be patriotic to pay your own way
in life and greedy and selfish to expect others to pay for you.

-----

A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government
was not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e.,
your pursuit of happiness was to be unhindered by government.

The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere
with your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the
government cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right"
to health care mean? It means that the government cannot stand in
the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your
obtaining health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the
government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent
you.

Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply you with something. If your "right" to housing means that
some slave must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health
care means that some slave must supply you with health care, and your
"right" to an attorney means that some slave must supply you with an
attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to
own guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Rights.shtml
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