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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

....knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/newtoday/gnnnewtoday_story_065192403.html?keyword=topstory

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Suspended Westchester HS girls said V-word during `Monologues' (8:15
p.m.)
By Jim Fitzgerald/Associated Press Writer
Associated Press

CROSS RIVER, N.Y. (AP) - A public high school has suspended three 16-
year-old girls who disobeyed officials by saying the word "vagina"
during a reading from "The Vagina Monologues."

Their defiant stand is being applauded by the author of the well-known
feminist play, who said Tuesday that the school should be celebrating,
rather than punishing, the three juniors.

"Don't we want our children to resist authority when it's not
appropriate and wise?" said author Eve Ensler.

The three honor students, Megan Reback, Elan Stahl and Hannah
Levinson, included the word because "we knew it was the right thing to
do. Since we're comfortable saying it, we should make other people
comfortable saying it," Levinson said.

The excerpt from "Monologues" was read Friday night, among various
readings at an event sponsored by the literary magazine at John Jay
High School in Cross River, a New York City suburb. Among the other
readings was a student's original work and the football coach quoting
Shakespeare.

The girls took turns reading the excerpt until they came to the word,
then said it together.

"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.

In a statement, Leprine said that because the event was open to the
community, including children, the word "vagina" was not appropriate.
He said the girls had been told when they auditioned that they could
not use the word.

Reback said Tuesday that no one in the audience was younger than high
school age. "What did we do that was so wrong?" she asked. "We were
insubordinate, but the reason we were insubordinate was that we talked
about our body."

The principal said that the school respects students' right to freedom
of expression. "That right, however, is not unfettered.

"When a student is told by faculty members not to present specified
material because of the composition of the audience and they agree to
do so, it is expected that the commitment will be honored and the
directive will be followed," Leprine said. "When a student chooses not
to follow the directive, consequences follow."

Bob Lichtenfeld, superintendent of the Katonah-Lewisboro school
district, which includes John Jay, said, "If the high school students
wanted to put on a production of 'The Vagina Monologues,' they
probably wouldn't have had any opposition. As long as the intended
audience knows what to expect, we don't have a problem with it."

Ensler said the girls were right for "standing up for art and against
censorship."

"The school's position is absurd, a throwback to the Dark Ages," she
said. "So what, if children were to hear the word? Would that be
terrible? We're not talking about plutonium here, or acid rain, a word
that destroys lives. It's a body part!"

She said she called the girls to support them because "the school put
them in an impossible position."

The girls said they had the support of their parents. "To me, they
were reciting literature in an educational forum and they did it with
grace and dignity," said Dana Stahl, Elan Stahl's mother.

The girls will all serve one-day, in-school suspensions, beginning
Wednesday.

"The Vagina Monologues," presented as various women's thoughts about
sexual subjects, has become a phenomenon since its Off-Broadway
opening in 1996. All-star readings are common and on "V-Day" each
year, usually Feb. 14, local volunteers, college students and a few
high schools produce benefit performances of the play to raise funds
to battle violence against women. The "V-Day" Internet site says there
were more than 2,700 such events last year.

Performances occasionally provoke controversy.

Conservative Catholics criticized the University of Notre Dame's
decision to allow a performance on campus last April. This year,
student planners couldn't get an academic sponsor.

Last month, a board member of a central Kentucky historic theater quit
after objecting to the theater's marquee advertising "The Vagina
Monologues."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]


If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

"Geo" <taxpayer779@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/newtoday/gnnnewtoday_story_065192403.html?keyword=topstory

====
Suspended Westchester HS girls said V-word during `Monologues' (8:15
p.m.)
By Jim Fitzgerald/Associated Press Writer
Associated Press

CROSS RIVER, N.Y. (AP) - A public high school has suspended three 16-
year-old girls who disobeyed officials by saying the word "vagina"
during a reading from "The Vagina Monologues."

rofl Think they'd have gotten to do that at the local baptist school? lol
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
news:1173275868.215666.300760@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]

If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.

Geo doesn't want there to be any public schools. He's just not honest
enough to say it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

On Mar 7, 10:29 am, "Server 13" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
Quote:
oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message

news:1173275868.215666.300760@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...



On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]

If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.

Geo doesn't want there to be any public schools. He's just not honest
enough to say it.


Nope, I want people to have choice. For a pro choice liberal why are
you afraid if such choice?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

On Mar 7, 11:02 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 7, 10:29 am, "Server 13" <i...@casual.com> wrote:





oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message

news:1173275868.215666.300760@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...

On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]

If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.

Geo doesn't want there to be any public schools. He's just not honest
enough to say it.

Nope, I want people to have choice.

They do, they just can't use my money to make that choice.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

On Mar 7, 11:16 am, "oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com"
<oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 7, 11:02 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:



On Mar 7, 10:29 am, "Server 13" <i...@casual.com> wrote:

oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message

news:1173275868.215666.300760@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...

On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]

If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.

Geo doesn't want there to be any public schools. He's just not honest
enough to say it.

Nope, I want people to have choice.

They do, they just can't use my money to make that choice.

Not quite. Tell the poor inner city youth that they have a choice.
Sorry, they are stuck going to the school that the govt tells them to
go to.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Government school idiocy (sorry for the redundancy)..... Reply with quote

On Mar 7, 12:06 pm, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 7, 11:16 am, "oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com"





oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
On Mar 7, 11:02 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 7, 10:29 am, "Server 13" <i...@casual.com> wrote:

oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message

news:1173275868.215666.300760@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...

On Mar 7, 8:18 am, "Geo" <taxpayer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...knows no bounds. Now we have to worry about.....drum roll....the
"V" word. Only govt could come up with this nonsense.

[snip]
"My short skirt is a liberation flag in the women's army," they read.
"I declare these streets, any streets, my vagina's country."

The suspension has prompted allegations of censorship. But Principal
Richard Leprine said Tuesday that the girls were punished not because
of what they said but because they disobeyed orders not to say it.
[snip]

If you think any private school wouldn't have done virtually the
same thing, you're kidding yourself. They're in trouble because
they were told not to. I'd think conservatives would appreciate
the strict discipline being maintained.

Geo doesn't want there to be any public schools. He's just not honest
enough to say it.

Nope, I want people to have choice.

They do, they just can't use my money to make that choice.

Not quite. Tell the poor inner city youth that they have a choice.

They generally do. Catholic schools frequently have all manner
of reduce/no cost options for attendance. I'm sure that many of the
other religious schools do as well. Quite honestly, the children
most likely to have trouble are in deep rural areas where there
aren't really enough students to support a common school environment.
Without public schools they'd have almost no options at all.

The reality is that public schools exist for 2 basic reasons.
1) The public was the only entity willing to take on rural
education. The state saw a need for a skilled work force
and began getting involved because the free markets
weren't providing the needed skilled workers. (At the
beginning of WWI, General Pershing had to set up
schools to teach fundamental skills to the draftees.
Everything from reading and writing to how to read
a watch, work a zipper, etc....)
2) The most common school available, especially
in less rural, more urban areas were catholic run.
They taught latin and rehetoric amongst other
basic classes. Various other protestant groups
found that distasteful and they were concerned about
the influence of catholicism on the country and so
moved to establish state schools to help compete
and replace the catholic run schools.

Quote:
Sorry, they are stuck going to the school that the govt tells them to
go to

For reasons much of their own making. And for a
great many of them, they'd be equally as "stuck" even
under a voucher system as only the most base of
schools would accept basically "voucher only"
students.
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