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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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Gates is talking about highly skilled workers. Ever since the teacher unions were formed, the level of education by the general American public has been getting progressively worse. For the past twenty years, I've been hearing more and more stories of how employers are finding it difficult to find enough qualified applicants to fill their skilled labor needs. As a result, the US Government has been allowing work visas to be issued to supplement Corporate America's high skilled labor needs.
This shouldn't be confused with illegal Mexican immigrants. The vast majority of illegal immigrants have low level educations and aren't suited for the needs people such as Bill Gates are referring to. This doesn't mean I don't have a beef with Gates. When it comes to low-paid wages for highly skilled jobs, as an employer, Gates is among the worst.
Regardless, these work visas are bringing labor into the states. At least these jobs are being retained in America. Be thankful these companies aren't closing their doors and moving overseas. They can and will if they are unable to fine enough Americans with the necessary skills to fill their labor needs.
Wayne H. Wilhelm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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Well, when supply exceeds demand, prices start dropping.
Why else do you think he asked for unlimited visas?
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote in message
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Gates is talking about highly skilled workers. Ever since the teacher
unions were formed, the level of education by the general American public
has been getting progressively worse. For the past twenty years, I've been
hearing more and more stories of how employers are finding it difficult to
find enough qualified applicants to fill their skilled labor needs. As a
result, the US Government has been allowing work visas to be issued to
supplement Corporate America's high skilled labor needs.
This shouldn't be confused with illegal Mexican immigrants. The vast
majority of illegal immigrants have low level educations and aren't suited
for the needs people such as Bill Gates are referring to. This doesn't mean
I don't have a beef with Gates. When it comes to low-paid wages for highly
skilled jobs, as an employer, Gates is among the worst.
Regardless, these work visas are bringing labor into the states. At least
these jobs are being retained in America. Be thankful these companies
aren't closing their doors and moving overseas. They can and will if they
are unable to fine enough Americans with the necessary skills to fill their
labor needs.
Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Website: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote in message news:45ef7d99$0$24694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Gates is talking about highly skilled workers. Ever since the teacher unions were formed, the level of education by the general American public has been getting progressively worse. For the past twenty years, I've been hearing more and more stories of how employers are finding it difficult to find enough qualified applicants to fill their skilled labor needs. As a result, the US Government has been allowing work visas to be issued to supplement Corporate America's high skilled labor needs.
This shouldn't be confused with illegal Mexican immigrants. The vast majority of illegal immigrants have low level educations and aren't suited for the needs people such as Bill Gates are referring to. This doesn't mean I don't have a beef with Gates. When it comes to low-paid wages for highly skilled jobs, as an employer, Gates is among the worst.
Regardless, these work visas are bringing labor into the states. At least these jobs are being retained in America. Be thankful these companies aren't closing their doors and moving overseas. They can and will if they are unable to fine enough Americans with the necessary skills to fill their labor needs.
Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Website: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com
Please wake up and smell the coffee. One of the best cab drivers I ever had was an American with an EE degree. Good God!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilh...@neonospam.rr.com>
wrote:
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This man doesn't have enough $billions. He wants to import still more foreigners rather than train AMERICAN employees.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/473893dc-ccde-11db-a938-000b5df10621.html
Ever since the teacher unions were formed, the level of education by the general American public has been getting progressively worse.
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Wayne doesn't know his ass about education.
I've been in education, as a student and then as a professor for
77 years.
Education is now incomparably better than it was when I was a
child
and at that time hardly a single teacher belonged to a union. I never
even
heard of a teachers union until sometime in the late 1950s.
Our university faculty unionized about 1970 and that has in no way
lowered the rate of improvement from the day I entered unversity
teaching.
Wayne has never heard of "can't lead a horse to water and make him
drink".
Why is it that the blame for education is always laid on the
teacher.
Teaching and learning are a cooperative venture, and how can you teach
students who have no incentive to learn. The last year I taught
before
retirement, I decided to teach a freshman class (in mathematics). The
first week, I asked each student why they were taking the course and
the only answer I got was, "It's required". NOT ONE mentioned
intellectual curiousity or interest in the subject.
When I was a college student, I was intrigued by the new material
I
was learning; by the time I was a senior I was submitting brief
articles
which appeared in national professional journals.
Today students are so busy playing with their computers, their
ipods,
their Blackbarries, playing games on cell phones and instant messaging
that they have no time for intellectual curiousity. I happened to
overhear
one mother complaing that her child had 800 instant messages on her
cellphone the previous month (and was complaining about the
overcharge).
But it is also true that the Conservative Right lies about the
schools.
Every school to a Republican is a "failing school". But when I talk
to
my grandkids, I find that in the middle of elementary school, they are
learning information that was not taught to me in the 1930s until I
was
in college. They are far better prepared for life than the kids I
went to
elementary school with -- taught, incidentally by a non-union teacher.
I see now that one of Wayne's favorite newsgroups is "white-power",
I think I get it drift. Another ranting racist. Why did I waste time
trying
to answer a man who is on a rant and in fact has no interest
whatsoever
in education. Send him to Mississippi where he'll be appreciated. |
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Jim E
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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| THE HILDABEAST !!! |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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On 7 Mar 2007 20:34:08 -0800, "Cognitus" <Cognitus44@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilh...@neonospam.rr.com
wrote:
This man doesn't have enough $billions. He wants to import still more foreigners rather than train AMERICAN employees.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/473893dc-ccde-11db-a938-000b5df10621.html
Ever since the teacher unions were formed, the level of education by the general American public has been getting progressively worse.
Wayne doesn't know his ass about education.
I've been in education, as a student and then as a professor for
77 years.
Education is now incomparably better than it was when I was a
child
and at that time hardly a single teacher belonged to a union. I never
even
heard of a teachers union until sometime in the late 1950s.
Our university faculty unionized about 1970 and that has in no way
lowered the rate of improvement from the day I entered unversity
teaching.
Wayne has never heard of "can't lead a horse to water and make him
drink".
Why is it that the blame for education is always laid on the
teacher.
Teaching and learning are a cooperative venture, and how can you teach
students who have no incentive to learn. The last year I taught
before
retirement, I decided to teach a freshman class (in mathematics). The
first week, I asked each student why they were taking the course and
the only answer I got was, "It's required". NOT ONE mentioned
intellectual curiousity or interest in the subject.
When I was a college student, I was intrigued by the new material
I
was learning; by the time I was a senior I was submitting brief
articles
which appeared in national professional journals.
Today students are so busy playing with their computers, their
ipods,
their Blackbarries, playing games on cell phones and instant messaging
that they have no time for intellectual curiousity. I happened to
overhear
one mother complaing that her child had 800 instant messages on her
cellphone the previous month (and was complaining about the
overcharge).
But it is also true that the Conservative Right lies about the
schools.
Every school to a Republican is a "failing school". But when I talk
to
my grandkids, I find that in the middle of elementary school, they are
learning information that was not taught to me in the 1930s until I
was
in college. They are far better prepared for life than the kids I
went to
elementary school with -- taught, incidentally by a non-union teacher.
I see now that one of Wayne's favorite newsgroups is "white-power",
I think I get it drift. Another ranting racist. Why did I waste time
trying
to answer a man who is on a rant and in fact has no interest
whatsoever
in education. Send him to Mississippi where he'll be appreciated.
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I can only speak anecdotally about myself, but when I was a kid going
to primary schools in Nevada, when the schooling was still what you'd
call "traditional", I remember it as being extremely productive for us
as students. I personally learned well and got As & Bs, my memory of
it is positive and I still remember everything we were taught.
Then I moved over to California, just as some of what were new
"liberal" public education ideas at the time were being implemented.
That included giving us a bunch of new elective classes in Middle
School, pushing out part of the mandatory trad curriculum. I remember
them as being mostly stupid things, something between
entertainment/babysitting and ridiculous. I distinctly remember an
elective class "Gem Cutting". I'm talking about our Middle School
here. I didn't take that class but I do know 1) No gems were ever cut
my fellow 12-13 year olds, and I strongly suspect that 2) None of them
went on to become gem cutters...
It was a big waste of our school time and our brains and whatever
funds went into it, that's for sure.
Highschool was not any better, they had the new lib curiculum ideas
too, and the entire time there felt like a waste of time to me. I
cannot remember anything of academic value I learned in our highschool
classrooms, not one thing comes to mind.
When I got out and went to college it got a lot better, I could target
a real major of interest in engineering, not the liberalized
smorgasbord of nothing I got throughout the second half of my public
school years. I'd forgotten how much I used to love learning, it was a
major rediscovery.
Anyway, it's obvious reading your response above that it's all about
clownish liberal loyalty and finger-pointing everyone as racist,
certainly not good education for real children, as I was, or any
authentic concern about education on your part. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote in message
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THE HILDABEAST !!!
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That's all you radical right-wing terrorist-enablers have got. Schoolyard
name-calling.
--
____________________
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
_____________________
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
The New Face of the Republican Party
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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The think is what is he still doing at M$ and going to Washington? He was
also the the Vista launch.
Last I heard he wanted to get away from M$ so he could start handing out to
those "poor" turd world countries. The sames ones who are destroying their
own environment then screaming for free handouts, and racist if we don't. |
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Wayne H. Wilhelm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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"Cognitus" <Cognitus44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilh...@neonospam.rr.com
wrote:
This man doesn't have enough $billions. He wants to import still more
foreigners rather than train AMERICAN employees.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/473893dc-ccde-11db-a938-000b5df10621.html
Ever since the teacher unions were formed, the level of education by
the general American public has been getting progressively worse.
Wayne doesn't know his ass about education.
I've been in education, as a student and then as a professor for
77 years.
Education is now incomparably better than it was when I was a
child
and at that time hardly a single teacher belonged to a union. I never
even
heard of a teachers union until sometime in the late 1950s.
Our university faculty unionized about 1970 and that has in no way
lowered the rate of improvement from the day I entered unversity
teaching.
Wayne has never heard of "can't lead a horse to water and make him
drink".
Why is it that the blame for education is always laid on the
teacher.
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Accountability. Everyone blames Bush for the countries problems because he's
in charge. I blame the teachers for this nations educational problem
because they're in charge. No difference. Does that mean the teachers are
at fault? Nope. No more than it means Bush is at fault. However, accusing
the teacher union spawns debate. In addition, what happened to the saying,
"If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem."?
Teachers are clearly in a position in which they, above anyone else, have
the greatest potential for developing a solution. Where is that solution?
Triple the teachers salary? That won't help.
There have been several changes in how are children are being educated since
the 1950's.
1) A substantial percentage of women are being forced to work outside of
the home due to economic considerations. They are no longer able to
dedicate their lives to the raising of their children. After WWII, families
realized they could have a little more stability if both spouses worked.
What they failed to realize: in a capitalist society, the price of goods
varies according to the ability of the consumer to pay. With both spouses
working, they had more money available to pay for goods, and as such, the
price of those goods increased correspondingly. Unfortunately, with the
increase of the price of goods, both spouses working for a living became
mandatory.
2) In the 1950's, divorce was a rarity. Today, divorce is the norm with
numerous children being raised in single family homes, and without proper
parenting. http://www.hiddenpolitics.com/respect.in.marriage.htm
3) The size of our nations schools has increased exponentially. During the
1950's, children were taught as individuals. Today, teachers adhere to a
structured approach to teaching and are completely unable to teach according
to individualistic needs. When using a chain, the chain is no stronger than
it's weakest link. In our schools, teaching progresses no faster than the
slowest student which in turn yields a dumbed down student population.
4) Bullying in schools has become a severe problem. Teachers outright
refuse to deal with it. During the 1950's, a sound paddle (made of real
wood, sometimes with nails in it) to the butt solved all. Because of the
bullying, many students loose intersest in learning, they strive to not be
noticed, or they try to sink to the level of the ignorant bully.
5) Peer pressue leads students in more populous schools to hold back in
their learning. Teachers refusal to teach at an individual level
exacerbates this problem. What's worse, in many of our schools, if a
student shows exceptionally learning capabilities, they're told to stiffle
it. When I asked my son's school if they would promote him according his
skills, I was told no, they did not believe in advancing students with
exceptional skills. When Bill Clinton was President, he declared there
wasn't any problems with our nations public schools. If correct, then why
did Hillary send her children to private schools?
I could go on and on about this. The above should suffice to spawn debate
on the issue.
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Teaching and learning are a cooperative venture, and how can you teach
students who have no incentive to learn. The last year I taught
before
retirement, I decided to teach a freshman class (in mathematics). The
first week, I asked each student why they were taking the course and
the only answer I got was, "It's required". NOT ONE mentioned
intellectual curiousity or interest in the subject.
When I was a college student, I was intrigued by the new material
I
was learning; by the time I was a senior I was submitting brief
articles
which appeared in national professional journals.
Today students are so busy playing with their computers, their
ipods,
their Blackbarries, playing games on cell phones and instant messaging
that they have no time for intellectual curiousity. I happened to
overhear
one mother complaing that her child had 800 instant messages on her
cellphone the previous month (and was complaining about the
overcharge).
But it is also true that the Conservative Right lies about the
schools.
Every school to a Republican is a "failing school". But when I talk
to
my grandkids, I find that in the middle of elementary school, they are
learning information that was not taught to me in the 1930s until I
was
in college. They are far better prepared for life than the kids I
went to
elementary school with -- taught, incidentally by a non-union teacher.
I see now that one of Wayne's favorite newsgroups is "white-power",
I think I get it drift. Another ranting racist. Why did I waste time
trying
to answer a man who is on a rant and in fact has no interest
whatsoever
in education. Send him to Mississippi where he'll be appreciated.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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Having had eighty-five winters..my school experience
harkens back to days of yore. Not the little red school-
house..a little further along. No welfare, no free books,
no free lunches, no school buses. I don't recommend it,
but went to school without shoes..no lunch other than
what a fellow student might offer. In winter-time hitch-hiked
walked, rode a bus for a dime when there was a dime
available. Could get a bowl of chili for ten cents, but
first had to get the ten cents. Typical punishment was
first strapped by the teacher, then the principal, then a
note home to the "dad." Of course the kids from well-off
influential parents were well-treated. High school meant
a ten mile trip through wind, sleet, snow, rain by bicycle
if fortunate enough to have one. Teachers earned about
twenty dollars a month and had to be careful about what
the local board thought; the local board was usually
comprised of influential persons who had their kids
in school. Now, school-kids from "immigrant" families,
fat, free everything (you pay taxes), rowdy, can't learn, social
promotions. Educators demand more money to fix
the problems..for adminstrators. counselors, drug
and sex education. The kids live well, but have
difficulty succeeding in school. I don't know. Times
change.. Garbage in garbage out!! My opinion.. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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Microsoft is hopeless. Once the company has over a
critical number of non-U.S. citizen managers. Those
managers will (statistically) not hire significant amount
of U. S. citizens. That is the fact of Microsoft.
Microsoft believes U. S. citizens are "lazy and inefficient". It
is better to import "highly skilled" non-U. S. employees.
It is time for Microsoft to die or leave the United States.
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This man doesn't have enough $billions. He wants to import still more foreigners rather than train AMERICAN employees.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/473893dc-ccde-11db-a938-000b5df10621.html
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March McPheronstad
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote in message news:45ef7d99$0$24694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
... Be thankful these companies aren't closing their doors and moving overseas. They can and will ...
Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Website: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com
Microsoft will not survive if it move out of the U. S. The reason it has
lived for so long is because of the United States environment, and yes,
Microsoft should just leave the United States. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: Re: The face of EVIL |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote in message
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THE HILDABEAST !!!
That's all you radical right-wing terrorist-enablers have got. Schoolyard
name-calling.
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From the capitulation party, that is just silly.
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